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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Xiaoyao Li <xiaoyao.li@intel.com>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Kiryl Shutsemau <kas@kernel.org>,
	 Rick Edgecombe <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	 kvm@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org, linux-coco@lists.linux.dev,
	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	James Houghton <jthoughton@google.com>,
	 Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>,
	Binbin Wu <binbin.wu@linux.intel.com>,
	 Ackerley Tng <ackerleytng@google.com>,
	Vishal Annapurve <vannapurve@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] KVM: TDX: Synthesize SHUTDOWN instead of returning -EIO on unhandled EPT violation
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2026 09:03:15 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <arVJwzMXGSXeFryO@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5949c545-2104-4824-b007-5345fe0e5d7f@intel.com>

On Thu, Sep 24, 2026, Xiaoyao Li wrote:
> On 9/24/2026 10:13 PM, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 24, 2026, Xiaoyao Li wrote:
> >> On 9/24/2026 12:33 AM, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> >>> Synthesize a triple fault, i.e. exit to userspace with KVM_EXIT_SHUTDOWN,
> >>> instead of returning -EIO from KVM_RUN if KVM encounters an EPT Violation
> >>> due to a guest access to a pending page.  Returning -EIO implies KVM is
> >>> buggy, and most VMMs will respond by completely terminating the VM, versus
> >>> rebooting the VM in response to KVM_EXIT_SHUTDOWN.  I.e. give the VMM the
> >>> option of trying to keep the VM (from the end user's perspective) alive.
> >>
> >> But reboot isn't good, neither.
> >>
> >> I still think a new specific exit reason[1] would be better, as I suggested before.
> >>
> >> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/kvm/1b0ea352-c645-461b-9e19-5202791f8e2d@intel.com
> > 
> > Doh, I completely forgot about that patch.  *sigh*
> > 
> > I actually thought KVM_EXIT_MEMORY_FAULT this time around, but I was worried that
> > it would confuse a VMM.  And practically speaking, the VMM can't do anything other
> > than print some diagnostic details and try to reboot the VM, because the guest has
> > very deliberately opted out of #VEs.
> > 
> > An alternative to KVM_EXIT_SHUTDOWN would be
> > 
> >   vcpu->run->exit_reason = KVM_EXIT_SYSTEM_EVENT;
> >   vcpu->run->system_event.type = KVM_SYSTEM_EVENT_TDX_FATAL;
> >   vcpu->run->system_event.ndata = 1;
> >   vcpu->run->system_event.data[0] = gpa;
> > 
> > So that the VMM could log the guilty GPA.  Though I'm not sure I like overloading
> > an explicit guest event.
> > 
> > As for KVM_EXIT_GUEST_ERROR, I don't see the point.  As above, the VMM can't do
> > anything other than reboot the VM.  I doubt Linux-as-a-guest will ever support an
> > interface that allows recovering from this situation, because again, the entire
> > point is treat unaccepted accesses as fatal conditions.
> > 
> > All in all, I think my vote is still for SHUTDOWN.
> 
> My concern is that userspace cannot differentiate between triple fault and
> accessing a pending page if we return KVM_EXIT_SHUTDOWN. It's not friendly for
> debugging.

Hmm, I disagree.  It's not friendly for *triage* given a bug report from a third
party, but for actual debug, I doubt it will matter since the exact exit reason
is available with trace_kvm_exit().

And for triage, IMO this scenario isn't interesting enough to warrant special
treatment.  There are myriad ways to end up in triple fault, i.e. why the guest
ended up in a shutdown scenario is never going to be something that can fully
debugged given only run->exit_reason.  E.g. if the guest did not opt out of #VEs
for this scenario, then it's not at all difficult to imagine scenarios where
accessing unaccepted memory leads to a triple fault.

      reply	other threads:[~2026-09-24 16:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-23 16:33 Sean Christopherson
2026-09-23 23:29 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-09-23 23:51   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-09-24  0:31     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-09-24  1:39 ` Xiaoyao Li
2026-09-24 14:13   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-09-24 14:40     ` Xiaoyao Li
2026-09-24 16:03       ` Sean Christopherson [this message]

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