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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 16/40] mm/vma: only allow mmap to clear VMA_MAYWRITE_BIT if kernel-owned
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2026 11:06:35 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <areYqRfd7mss9KQG@gremlin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DLOVXY4VFCXE.1RI7ZSD30VHH5@nvidia.com>
On Fri, Sep 25, 2026 at 10:17:10PM -0400, Zi Yan wrote:
> On Fri Sep 25, 2026 at 10:07 PM EDT, Zi Yan wrote:
> > On Thu Sep 17, 2026 at 12:22 PM EDT, Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) wrote:
> >> For ordinary files the only way the VMA_MAYWRITE_BIT flag is cleared is if
> >> the underlying file is itself read-only.
> >>
> >> This means that mprotect() cannot mark a shared mapping of a read-only file
> >> as read/write, as doing so would violate the read only attribute, and
> >> permit writes.
> >>
> >> In general, we do not want file systems to be able to do this for
> >> read/write files.
> >>
> >> Doing so would violate fundamental user expectation of file attributes and
> >> likely break userspace.
> >>
> >> However, drivers pose a tricky problem here - the /dev/xxx file may be
> >> read/write but provide access to a resource which is fundamentally
> >> read-only.
> >>
> >> Therefore we must allow drivers to be able to clear VMA_MAYWRITE_BIT.
>
> IIUC, a file's FMODE_* bear both fd and mmap permissions, e.g.,
> FMODE_WRITE means fd is writable and mmap is writable. At least for
> normal files. But a driver fd might not fit the same pattern. Would a
> new FMODE_MAP_READ and a new FMODE_MAP_WRITE help? Not trying to propose
> anything, but just thinking out load.
Hmm I don't think that's necessarily at the right level of abstraction
though, and these drivers need to do the same thing even if the file is R/W
regardless.
So I'm not so sure that's the right path.
Then again, if the driver could somehow specify these modes at inode
creation or some means of doing that it could help avoid the driver ever
doing this, I'd really prefer us to disallow such changes in the hook in
general.
But I think definitely one for a follow up :)
>
> >>
> >> To achieve both of these things, restrict this ability to kernel-owned
> >> mappings as identified by vma_flags_is_kernel_owned().
> >>
> >> This constrains this ability to drivers which own the mapping's contents,
> >> whether memory-mapped I/O, kernel-allocated pages, or ordinary pages they
> >> map themselves, and so define its semantics.
> >>
> >> Every in-tree mmap hook which clears VMA_MAYWRITE_BIT, some twenty sites
> >> across drivers, filesystems and bpf, establishes a kernel-owned mapping,
> >> with usbmon and the ALSA PCM status page converted earlier in this series
> >> to do so.
> >>
> >> Note that drivers may, if they do not gate on VMA_SHARED_BIT, be able to
> >> disable MAP_PRIVATE-file-backed mapping CoW semantics.
> >>
> >> This is perhaps not always intended, but we retain this capacity to
> >> maintain existing behaviour.
> >>
> >> As all drivers which clear VMA_MAYWRITE_BIT establish kernel-owned
> >> mappings, no functional change is intended.
> >>
> >> Signed-off-by: Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) <ljs@kernel.org>
> >> ---
> >> mm/vma.c | 5 +++++
> >> 1 file changed, 5 insertions(+)
> >>
> >
> > Makes sense.
> >
> > Acked-by: Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>
Thanks!
>
>
>
>
> --
> Best Regards,
> Yan, Zi
>
--
Cheers, Lorenzo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-09-26 10:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-09-17 16:22 [PATCH v3 00/40] mm: make VMA flag semantics explicit, eliminate VM_SPECIAL Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 01/40] mm/vma: fix mmap_prepare file handling, remove file_doesnt_need_get Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-23 15:21 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-09-23 15:46 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-23 15:59 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-09-24 2:20 ` Zi Yan
2026-09-24 10:03 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-24 16:28 ` Gregory Price
2026-09-25 9:30 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-24 19:00 ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-09-25 9:12 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 02/40] mm/vma: predicate setting mmap_prepare VMA fields on new vma alloc Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-23 15:32 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-09-23 15:53 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-23 16:09 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-09-23 17:07 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-23 17:33 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-24 2:25 ` Zi Yan
2026-09-17 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 03/40] mm/vma: introduce and use vma_[flags_]can_merge() Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-23 16:23 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-09-24 2:27 ` Zi Yan
2026-09-24 16:38 ` Gregory Price
2026-09-17 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 04/40] mm: consistently validate VMA state after mmap[_prepare] hooks Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-23 16:47 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-09-23 17:00 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-24 2:52 ` Zi Yan
2026-09-24 10:06 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-24 17:17 ` Gregory Price
2026-09-25 12:51 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 05/40] mm/vma: ensure mmap_prepare doesn't set actions on a mergeable vma Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-24 18:00 ` Gregory Price
2026-09-25 9:51 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-24 19:28 ` Zi Yan
2026-09-25 9:55 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-25 7:28 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-09-25 9:53 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 06/40] mm: make map_kernel_pages_[prepare,complete] internal and unexported Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-24 19:30 ` Zi Yan
2026-09-25 7:35 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-09-17 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 07/40] mm/vma: tidy up map kernel pages enum values Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-24 19:30 ` Zi Yan
2026-09-25 7:37 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-09-17 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 08/40] mm: add mmap action for discontiguous kernel page mapping Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-25 20:53 ` Zi Yan
2026-09-17 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 09/40] docs: filesystems: update mmap_prepare docs for discontig kernel pgs Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-25 21:01 ` Zi Yan
2026-09-17 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 10/40] drivers/usb/mon: update to use mmap_prepare + map kernel pages Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 11/40] infiniband: update hfi1 to use remap_vmalloc_range() Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 12/40] selinux: reject writable opens of policy file, drop mmap shared/write check Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 13/40] ALSA: pcm: use vm_insert_page() to map PCM status page Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 14/40] bpf: arena: mark arena_map_mmap() mappings VM_MIXEDMAP Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 15/40] mm/vma: add vma[_flags]_is_kernel_owned() predicates Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-26 1:37 ` Zi Yan
2026-09-17 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 16/40] mm/vma: only allow mmap to clear VMA_MAYWRITE_BIT if kernel-owned Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-26 2:07 ` Zi Yan
2026-09-26 2:17 ` Zi Yan
2026-09-26 10:06 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) [this message]
2026-09-17 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 17/40] mm/vma: add and use vma_[flags]_is_fixed_mapping Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-26 2:27 ` Zi Yan
2026-09-26 10:03 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 18/40] scsi: sg: convert mmap hook to mmap_prepare and rework Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 19/40] fbdev: defio: assert FBINFO_VIRTFB, drop VM_IO, add VM_MIXEDMAP Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 20/40] HSI: cmt_speech: convert mmap hook to mmap_prepare, refactor Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 21/40] mm/gup: error out early on !VMA_MAYREAD_BIT VMAs Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-26 2:30 ` Zi Yan
2026-09-17 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 22/40] uprobes: remove VM_IO, set VM_MIXEDMAP for mapped kernel pages Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 23/40] mm/mlock: clear VMA_LOCKED_MASK over mmap callback Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 24/40] mm/mlock: eliminate weird VMA_IO_BIT abuse and simplify Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-23 20:06 ` Zi Yan
2026-09-24 10:21 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-24 15:50 ` Zi Yan
2026-09-25 9:35 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 25/40] mm/vma: enforce that only kernel-owned mappings may set VMA_IO_BIT Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 26/40] mm: remove VMA_IO_BIT check in vma[_flags]_is_kernel_owned() Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 27/40] mm: remove hugetlb_inline.h Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 28/40] mm: rename is_vm_hugetlb_page() to vma_is_hugetlb() Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 29/40] mm: drop some redundant checks around hugetlb VMAs Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 30/40] mm/madvise: update is_valid_guard_vma() to use vma_can_merge() Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 31/40] mm/vma: introduce vma[_flags]_is_persistent() Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 32/40] mm/uffd: use predicates for userfaultfd checks Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 33/40] mm/madvise: use predicates for madvise(..., MADV_DOFORK) Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 34/40] mm: eliminate VMA_SPECIAL_FLAGS usage when hugetlb explicitly tested Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 35/40] mm: eliminate VMA_SPECIAL_FLAGS check in lru_gen_look_around() Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 36/40] mm: avoid use of VMA_SPECIAL_FLAGS in migrate_vma_setup() Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 37/40] mm: eliminate VM_SPECIAL, VMA_SPECIAL_FLAGS Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 38/40] fuse: dax: do not set VM_MIXEDMAP Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 39/40] mm/huge_memory: remove vma_is_special_huge() Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 40/40] mm/vma: introduce and use vma[_flags]_can_gup() Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 21:23 ` [PATCH v3 00/40] mm: make VMA flag semantics explicit, eliminate VM_SPECIAL Andrew Morton
2026-09-23 8:57 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-25 15:58 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-25 22:06 ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-09-26 9:40 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-26 13:06 ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-09-26 13:22 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
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