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* [PATCH] rcu: Enable runtime reset of the RCU stall panic count
@ 2026-10-04  1:14 Cunlong Li
  2026-10-04 11:04 ` Bradley Morgan
  2026-10-05 12:56 ` Joel Fernandes
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Cunlong Li @ 2026-10-04  1:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jonathan Corbet, Shuah Khan, Randy Dunlap, Paul E. McKenney,
	Frederic Weisbecker, Neeraj Upadhyay, Joel Fernandes,
	Josh Triplett, Boqun Feng, Uladzislau Rezki, Steven Rostedt,
	Mathieu Desnoyers, Lai Jiangshan, Zqiang
  Cc: linux-doc, linux-kernel, rcu, Cunlong Li

The kernel.panic_on_rcu_stall and kernel.max_rcu_stall_to_panic sysctls
count RCU CPU stalls since system boot, and invoke panic() once
max_rcu_stall_to_panic stalls have elapsed.  This count is never reset,
so stalls caused by transient incidents keep consuming the budget of a
long-running system, and a later unrelated stall can immediately
trigger panic() instead of allowing the intended fresh window of
stalls.

This commit therefore introduces the kernel.rcu_stall_panic_count
sysctl.  Reading this file reports the number of stalls counted so far,
and writing 0 to it resets the count.  This allows the cumulative stall
history to be cleared after an incident has been resolved, and also
allows userspace to clear the count periodically, so that panic() is
only triggered by a burst of stalls occurring within a short period.

Signed-off-by: Cunlong Li <shenxiaogll@gmail.com>
---
 Documentation/admin-guide/sysctl/kernel.rst | 15 ++++++++++++++-
 kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h                     | 28 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++--
 2 files changed, 40 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)

diff --git a/Documentation/admin-guide/sysctl/kernel.rst b/Documentation/admin-guide/sysctl/kernel.rst
index ffea61d448eb..64fe2985e358 100644
--- a/Documentation/admin-guide/sysctl/kernel.rst
+++ b/Documentation/admin-guide/sysctl/kernel.rst
@@ -959,7 +959,20 @@ max_rcu_stall_to_panic
 When ``panic_on_rcu_stall`` is set to 1, this value determines the
 number of times that RCU can stall before panic() is called.
 
-When ``panic_on_rcu_stall`` is set to 0, this value is has no effect.
+When ``panic_on_rcu_stall`` is set to 0, this value has no effect.
+
+rcu_stall_panic_count
+=====================
+
+Indicates the number of RCU CPU stalls that have been counted since
+system boot or since the counter was reset. When ``panic_on_rcu_stall``
+is set to 1, this count is compared against ``max_rcu_stall_to_panic``
+to decide whether panic() should be called.
+
+Writing 0 to this file resets the counter to zero, which restarts the
+``max_rcu_stall_to_panic`` window of stalls. This allows system
+administrators to clear the cumulative stall count after an incident
+has been resolved, without requiring a system restart.
 
 perf_cpu_time_max_percent
 =========================
diff --git a/kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h b/kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h
index 091e7850ab6e..a80f03e1c7ea 100644
--- a/kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h
+++ b/kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h
@@ -19,6 +19,20 @@
 /* panic() on RCU Stall sysctl. */
 static int sysctl_panic_on_rcu_stall __read_mostly;
 static int sysctl_max_rcu_stall_to_panic __read_mostly;
+static unsigned long sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count;
+
+/* Reset the RCU stall panic count when written to. */
+static int proc_do_rcu_stall_panic_count(const struct ctl_table *table, int write,
+					 void *buffer, size_t *lenp, loff_t *ppos)
+{
+	if (!write)
+		return proc_doulongvec_minmax(table, write, buffer, lenp, ppos);
+
+	WRITE_ONCE(sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count, 0);
+	*ppos += *lenp;
+
+	return 0;
+}
 
 static const struct ctl_table rcu_stall_sysctl_table[] = {
 	{
@@ -39,6 +53,13 @@ static const struct ctl_table rcu_stall_sysctl_table[] = {
 		.extra1		= SYSCTL_ONE,
 		.extra2		= SYSCTL_INT_MAX,
 	},
+	{
+		.procname	= "rcu_stall_panic_count",
+		.data		= &sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count,
+		.maxlen		= sizeof(sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count),
+		.mode		= 0644,
+		.proc_handler	= proc_do_rcu_stall_panic_count,
+	},
 };
 
 static int __init init_rcu_stall_sysctl(void)
@@ -161,7 +182,7 @@ early_initcall(check_cpu_stall_init);
 /* If so specified via sysctl, panic, yielding cleaner stall-warning output. */
 static void panic_on_rcu_stall(const struct cpumask *stalled_mask)
 {
-	static int cpu_stall;
+	unsigned long count;
 
 	/*
 	 * Attempt to kick out the BPF scheduler if it's installed and defer
@@ -170,7 +191,10 @@ static void panic_on_rcu_stall(const struct cpumask *stalled_mask)
 	if (scx_rcu_cpu_stall(stalled_mask))
 		return;
 
-	if (++cpu_stall < sysctl_max_rcu_stall_to_panic)
+	/* A lost RMW update only delays the panic by one stall. */
+	count = READ_ONCE(sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count) + 1;
+	WRITE_ONCE(sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count, count);
+	if (count < (unsigned long)READ_ONCE(sysctl_max_rcu_stall_to_panic))
 		return;
 
 	if (sysctl_panic_on_rcu_stall)

---
base-commit: ce1e0223d8ad4211275c82a17ed6d43ab81e13d9
change-id: 20261003-rcu-375496d7704e

Best regards,
-- 
Cunlong Li <shenxiaogll@gmail.com>


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* Re: [PATCH] rcu: Enable runtime reset of the RCU stall panic count
  2026-10-04  1:14 [PATCH] rcu: Enable runtime reset of the RCU stall panic count Cunlong Li
@ 2026-10-04 11:04 ` Bradley Morgan
  2026-10-05 12:56 ` Joel Fernandes
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Bradley Morgan @ 2026-10-04 11:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: shenxiaogll
  Cc: boqun, corbet, frederic, jiangshanlai, joelagnelf, josh,
	linux-doc, linux-kernel, mathieu.desnoyers, neeraj.upadhyay,
	paulmck, qiang.zhang, rcu, rdunlap, rostedt, skhan, urezki

On 4 October 2026 02:14:25 BST, Cunlong Li <shenxiaogll@gmail.com> wrote:
>The kernel.panic_on_rcu_stall and kernel.max_rcu_stall_to_panic sysctls
>count RCU CPU stalls since system boot, and invoke panic() once
>max_rcu_stall_to_panic stalls have elapsed.  This count is never reset,
>so stalls caused by transient incidents keep consuming the budget of a
>long-running system, and a later unrelated stall can immediately
>trigger panic() instead of allowing the intended fresh window of
>stalls.
>
>This commit therefore introduces the kernel.rcu_stall_panic_count
>sysctl.  Reading this file reports the number of stalls counted so far,
>and writing 0 to it resets the count.  This allows the cumulative stall
>history to be cleared after an incident has been resolved, and also
>allows userspace to clear the count periodically, so that panic() is
>only triggered by a burst of stalls occurring within a short period.
>

Hi, LGTM!


Reviewed-by: Bradley Morgan <brads@mainlining.org>


>Signed-off-by: Cunlong Li <shenxiaogll@gmail.com>
>---
> Documentation/admin-guide/sysctl/kernel.rst | 15 ++++++++++++++-
> kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h                     | 28
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++--
> 2 files changed, 40 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
>
>diff --git a/Documentation/admin-guide/sysctl/kernel.rst b/Documentation/admin-guide/sysctl/kernel.rst
>index ffea61d448eb..64fe2985e358 100644
>--- a/Documentation/admin-guide/sysctl/kernel.rst
>+++ b/Documentation/admin-guide/sysctl/kernel.rst
>@@ -959,7 +959,20 @@ max_rcu_stall_to_panic
> When ``panic_on_rcu_stall`` is set to 1, this value determines the
> number of times that RCU can stall before panic() is called.
> 
>-When ``panic_on_rcu_stall`` is set to 0, this value is has no effect.
>+When ``panic_on_rcu_stall`` is set to 0, this value has no effect.
>+
>+rcu_stall_panic_count
>+=====================
>+
>+Indicates the number of RCU CPU stalls that have been counted since
>+system boot or since the counter was reset. When ``panic_on_rcu_stall``
>+is set to 1, this count is compared against ``max_rcu_stall_to_panic``
>+to decide whether panic() should be called.
>+
>+Writing 0 to this file resets the counter to zero, which restarts the
>+``max_rcu_stall_to_panic`` window of stalls. This allows system
>+administrators to clear the cumulative stall count after an incident
>+has been resolved, without requiring a system restart.
> 
> perf_cpu_time_max_percent
> =========================
>diff --git a/kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h b/kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h
>index 091e7850ab6e..a80f03e1c7ea 100644
>--- a/kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h
>+++ b/kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h
>@@ -19,6 +19,20 @@
> /* panic() on RCU Stall sysctl. */
> static int sysctl_panic_on_rcu_stall __read_mostly;
> static int sysctl_max_rcu_stall_to_panic __read_mostly;
>+static unsigned long sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count;
>+
>+/* Reset the RCU stall panic count when written to. */
>+static int proc_do_rcu_stall_panic_count(const struct ctl_table *table, int write,
>+					 void *buffer, size_t *lenp, loff_t *ppos)
>+{
>+	if (!write)
>+		return proc_doulongvec_minmax(table, write, buffer, lenp, ppos);
>+
>+	WRITE_ONCE(sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count, 0);
>+	*ppos += *lenp;
>+
>+	return 0;
>+}
> 
> static const struct ctl_table rcu_stall_sysctl_table[] = {
> 	{
>@@ -39,6 +53,13 @@ static const struct ctl_table rcu_stall_sysctl_table[] = {
> 		.extra1		= SYSCTL_ONE,
> 		.extra2		= SYSCTL_INT_MAX,
> 	},
>+	{
>+		.procname	= "rcu_stall_panic_count",
>+		.data		= &sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count,
>+		.maxlen		= sizeof(sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count),
>+		.mode		= 0644,
>+		.proc_handler	= proc_do_rcu_stall_panic_count,
>+	},
> };
> 
> static int __init init_rcu_stall_sysctl(void)
>@@ -161,7 +182,7 @@ early_initcall(check_cpu_stall_init);
> /* If so specified via sysctl, panic, yielding cleaner stall-warning
> output. */
> static void panic_on_rcu_stall(const struct cpumask *stalled_mask)
> {
>-	static int cpu_stall;
>+	unsigned long count;
> 
> 	/*
> 	 * Attempt to kick out the BPF scheduler if it's installed and defer
>@@ -170,7 +191,10 @@ static void panic_on_rcu_stall(const struct cpumask *stalled_mask)
> 	if (scx_rcu_cpu_stall(stalled_mask))
> 		return;
> 
>-	if (++cpu_stall < sysctl_max_rcu_stall_to_panic)
>+	/* A lost RMW update only delays the panic by one stall. */
>+	count = READ_ONCE(sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count) + 1;
>+	WRITE_ONCE(sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count, count);
>+	if (count < (unsigned long)READ_ONCE(sysctl_max_rcu_stall_to_panic))
> 		return;
> 
> 	if (sysctl_panic_on_rcu_stall)
>
>---
>base-commit: ce1e0223d8ad4211275c82a17ed6d43ab81e13d9
>change-id: 20261003-rcu-375496d7704e
>
>Best regards,
>

--- Thanks!
"I'm not a very positive person" - Linus torvalds

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* Re: [PATCH] rcu: Enable runtime reset of the RCU stall panic count
  2026-10-04  1:14 [PATCH] rcu: Enable runtime reset of the RCU stall panic count Cunlong Li
  2026-10-04 11:04 ` Bradley Morgan
@ 2026-10-05 12:56 ` Joel Fernandes
  2026-10-06 11:54   ` Cunlong Li
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Joel Fernandes @ 2026-10-05 12:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Cunlong Li
  Cc: Jonathan Corbet, Shuah Khan, Randy Dunlap, Paul E. McKenney,
	Frederic Weisbecker, Neeraj Upadhyay, Josh Triplett, Boqun Feng,
	Uladzislau Rezki, Steven Rostedt, Mathieu Desnoyers,
	Lai Jiangshan, Zqiang, linux-doc, linux-kernel, rcu, Cunlong Li



> On Oct 3, 2026, at 9:14 PM, Cunlong Li <shenxiaogll@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The kernel.panic_on_rcu_stall and kernel.max_rcu_stall_to_panic sysctls
> count RCU CPU stalls since system boot, and invoke panic() once
> max_rcu_stall_to_panic stalls have elapsed.  This count is never reset,
> so stalls caused by transient incidents keep consuming the budget of a
> long-running system, and a later unrelated stall can

Please provide examples of specific transient events you ran into, and recovered from?

> immediately
> trigger panic() instead of allowing the intended fresh window of
> stalls.
> 
> This commit therefore introduces the kernel.rcu_stall_panic_count
> sysctl.  Reading this file reports the number of stalls counted so far,
> and writing 0 to it resets the count.  This allows the cumulative stall
> history to be cleared after an incident has been resolved, and also
> allows userspace to clear the count periodically, so that panic() is
> only triggered by a burst of stalls occurring within a short period.

Could you provide details of such an incident that got resolved without requiring a reboot?


> 
> Signed-off-by: Cunlong Li <shenxiaogll@gmail.com>

If the commit is AI assisted, please add an assisted tag.

Thanks,

Joel

> ---
> Documentation/admin-guide/sysctl/kernel.rst | 15 ++++++++++++++-
> kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h                     | 28 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++--
> 2 files changed, 40 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/admin-guide/sysctl/kernel.rst b/Documentation/admin-guide/sysctl/kernel.rst
> index ffea61d448eb..64fe2985e358 100644
> --- a/Documentation/admin-guide/sysctl/kernel.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/admin-guide/sysctl/kernel.rst
> @@ -959,7 +959,20 @@ max_rcu_stall_to_panic
> When ``panic_on_rcu_stall`` is set to 1, this value determines the
> number of times that RCU can stall before panic() is called.
> 
> -When ``panic_on_rcu_stall`` is set to 0, this value is has no effect.
> +When ``panic_on_rcu_stall`` is set to 0, this value has no effect.
> +
> +rcu_stall_panic_count
> +=====================
> +
> +Indicates the number of RCU CPU stalls that have been counted since
> +system boot or since the counter was reset. When ``panic_on_rcu_stall``
> +is set to 1, this count is compared against ``max_rcu_stall_to_panic``
> +to decide whether panic() should be called.
> +
> +Writing 0 to this file resets the counter to zero, which restarts the
> +``max_rcu_stall_to_panic`` window of stalls. This allows system
> +administrators to clear the cumulative stall count after an incident
> +has been resolved, without requiring a system restart.
> 
> perf_cpu_time_max_percent
> =========================
> diff --git a/kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h b/kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h
> index 091e7850ab6e..a80f03e1c7ea 100644
> --- a/kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h
> +++ b/kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h
> @@ -19,6 +19,20 @@
> /* panic() on RCU Stall sysctl. */
> static int sysctl_panic_on_rcu_stall __read_mostly;
> static int sysctl_max_rcu_stall_to_panic __read_mostly;
> +static unsigned long sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count;
> +
> +/* Reset the RCU stall panic count when written to. */
> +static int proc_do_rcu_stall_panic_count(const struct ctl_table *table, int write,
> +                     void *buffer, size_t *lenp, loff_t *ppos)
> +{
> +    if (!write)
> +        return proc_doulongvec_minmax(table, write, buffer, lenp, ppos);
> +
> +    WRITE_ONCE(sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count, 0);
> +    *ppos += *lenp;
> +
> +    return 0;
> +}
> 
> static const struct ctl_table rcu_stall_sysctl_table[] = {
>    {
> @@ -39,6 +53,13 @@ static const struct ctl_table rcu_stall_sysctl_table[] = {
>        .extra1        = SYSCTL_ONE,
>        .extra2        = SYSCTL_INT_MAX,
>    },
> +    {
> +        .procname    = "rcu_stall_panic_count",
> +        .data        = &sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count,
> +        .maxlen        = sizeof(sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count),
> +        .mode        = 0644,
> +        .proc_handler    = proc_do_rcu_stall_panic_count,
> +    },
> };
> 
> static int __init init_rcu_stall_sysctl(void)
> @@ -161,7 +182,7 @@ early_initcall(check_cpu_stall_init);
> /* If so specified via sysctl, panic, yielding cleaner stall-warning output. */
> static void panic_on_rcu_stall(const struct cpumask *stalled_mask)
> {
> -    static int cpu_stall;
> +    unsigned long count;
> 
>    /*
>     * Attempt to kick out the BPF scheduler if it's installed and defer
> @@ -170,7 +191,10 @@ static void panic_on_rcu_stall(const struct cpumask *stalled_mask)
>    if (scx_rcu_cpu_stall(stalled_mask))
>        return;
> 
> -    if (++cpu_stall < sysctl_max_rcu_stall_to_panic)
> +    /* A lost RMW update only delays the panic by one stall. */
> +    count = READ_ONCE(sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count) + 1;
> +    WRITE_ONCE(sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count, count);
> +    if (count < (unsigned long)READ_ONCE(sysctl_max_rcu_stall_to_panic))
>        return;
> 
>    if (sysctl_panic_on_rcu_stall)
> 
> ---
> base-commit: ce1e0223d8ad4211275c82a17ed6d43ab81e13d9
> change-id: 20261003-rcu-375496d7704e
> 
> Best regards,
> --
> Cunlong Li <shenxiaogll@gmail.com>
> 

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* Re: [PATCH] rcu: Enable runtime reset of the RCU stall panic count
  2026-10-05 12:56 ` Joel Fernandes
@ 2026-10-06 11:54   ` Cunlong Li
  2026-10-06 12:21     ` Joel Fernandes
  2026-10-06 12:39     ` Joel Fernandes
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Cunlong Li @ 2026-10-06 11:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Joel Fernandes
  Cc: Jonathan Corbet, Shuah Khan, Randy Dunlap, Paul E. McKenney,
	Frederic Weisbecker, Neeraj Upadhyay, Josh Triplett, Boqun Feng,
	Uladzislau Rezki, Steven Rostedt, Mathieu Desnoyers,
	Lai Jiangshan, Zqiang, linux-doc, linux-kernel, rcu

Hi Joel, thanks for the review!

On Mon, Oct 05, 2026 at 12:56:30PM +0000, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> 
> 
> > On Oct 3, 2026, at 9:14 PM, Cunlong Li <shenxiaogll@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > The kernel.panic_on_rcu_stall and kernel.max_rcu_stall_to_panic sysctls
> > count RCU CPU stalls since system boot, and invoke panic() once
> > max_rcu_stall_to_panic stalls have elapsed.  This count is never reset,
> > so stalls caused by transient incidents keep consuming the budget of a
> > long-running system, and a later unrelated stall can
> 
> Please provide examples of specific transient events you ran into, and recovered from?
> 
> > immediately
> > trigger panic() instead of allowing the intended fresh window of
> > stalls.
> > 
> > This commit therefore introduces the kernel.rcu_stall_panic_count
> > sysctl.  Reading this file reports the number of stalls counted so far,
> > and writing 0 to it resets the count.  This allows the cumulative stall
> > history to be cleared after an incident has been resolved, and also
> > allows userspace to clear the count periodically, so that panic() is
> > only triggered by a burst of stalls occurring within a short period.
> 
> Could you provide details of such an incident that got resolved without requiring a reboot?

The motivation comes from our customer systems running codex on Ubuntu
24.04, with a memory limit of ~8G and zram enabled for swap.  When the
agent's memory footprint grows, the box spends long stretches in direct
reclaim (zram makes reclaim CPU-heavy), and we get a continuous stream
of RCU stall warnings.  In the incidents we have seen so far, the
warnings kept coming and the systems stayed hung, so we would like to
enable panic_on_rcu_stall so that the box reboots and the service
recovers automatically.  However, we do not actually know whether some
of those stalls were transient, i.e. whether the systems would have
recovered on their own once the memory pressure subsided.  If they
were, a panic would kill an otherwise recoverable system, which is
what we would like to avoid.

We have not yet been able to reproduce this in the lab.  But transient,
self-recovering stalls are not a hypothetical: the commit that
introduced max_rcu_stall_to_panic, dfe564045c65 ("rcu: Panic after
fixed number of stalls"), states the premise outright:

    Some stalls are transient, so that system fully recovers.  This
    commit therefore allows users to configure the number of stalls
    that must happen in order to trigger kernel panic.

As described in the commit message, since the counter is never reset,
stalls caused by transient incidents keep consuming the budget of
max_rcu_stall_to_panic, and a later unrelated stall can immediately
trigger panic() instead of allowing the intended fresh window of
stalls.  This is what motivated the patch.

> 
> 
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Cunlong Li <shenxiaogll@gmail.com>
> 
> If the commit is AI assisted, please add an assisted tag.

Yes, it is AI-assisted, and I will state that in the v2 commit
message.

Thanks,
Cunlong

> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Joel
> 
> > ---
> > Documentation/admin-guide/sysctl/kernel.rst | 15 ++++++++++++++-
> > kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h                     | 28 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++--
> > 2 files changed, 40 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
> > 
> > diff --git a/Documentation/admin-guide/sysctl/kernel.rst b/Documentation/admin-guide/sysctl/kernel.rst
> > index ffea61d448eb..64fe2985e358 100644
> > --- a/Documentation/admin-guide/sysctl/kernel.rst
> > +++ b/Documentation/admin-guide/sysctl/kernel.rst
> > @@ -959,7 +959,20 @@ max_rcu_stall_to_panic
> > When ``panic_on_rcu_stall`` is set to 1, this value determines the
> > number of times that RCU can stall before panic() is called.
> > 
> > -When ``panic_on_rcu_stall`` is set to 0, this value is has no effect.
> > +When ``panic_on_rcu_stall`` is set to 0, this value has no effect.
> > +
> > +rcu_stall_panic_count
> > +=====================
> > +
> > +Indicates the number of RCU CPU stalls that have been counted since
> > +system boot or since the counter was reset. When ``panic_on_rcu_stall``
> > +is set to 1, this count is compared against ``max_rcu_stall_to_panic``
> > +to decide whether panic() should be called.
> > +
> > +Writing 0 to this file resets the counter to zero, which restarts the
> > +``max_rcu_stall_to_panic`` window of stalls. This allows system
> > +administrators to clear the cumulative stall count after an incident
> > +has been resolved, without requiring a system restart.
> > 
> > perf_cpu_time_max_percent
> > =========================
> > diff --git a/kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h b/kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h
> > index 091e7850ab6e..a80f03e1c7ea 100644
> > --- a/kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h
> > +++ b/kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h
> > @@ -19,6 +19,20 @@
> > /* panic() on RCU Stall sysctl. */
> > static int sysctl_panic_on_rcu_stall __read_mostly;
> > static int sysctl_max_rcu_stall_to_panic __read_mostly;
> > +static unsigned long sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count;
> > +
> > +/* Reset the RCU stall panic count when written to. */
> > +static int proc_do_rcu_stall_panic_count(const struct ctl_table *table, int write,
> > +                     void *buffer, size_t *lenp, loff_t *ppos)
> > +{
> > +    if (!write)
> > +        return proc_doulongvec_minmax(table, write, buffer, lenp, ppos);
> > +
> > +    WRITE_ONCE(sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count, 0);
> > +    *ppos += *lenp;
> > +
> > +    return 0;
> > +}
> > 
> > static const struct ctl_table rcu_stall_sysctl_table[] = {
> >    {
> > @@ -39,6 +53,13 @@ static const struct ctl_table rcu_stall_sysctl_table[] = {
> >        .extra1        = SYSCTL_ONE,
> >        .extra2        = SYSCTL_INT_MAX,
> >    },
> > +    {
> > +        .procname    = "rcu_stall_panic_count",
> > +        .data        = &sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count,
> > +        .maxlen        = sizeof(sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count),
> > +        .mode        = 0644,
> > +        .proc_handler    = proc_do_rcu_stall_panic_count,
> > +    },
> > };
> > 
> > static int __init init_rcu_stall_sysctl(void)
> > @@ -161,7 +182,7 @@ early_initcall(check_cpu_stall_init);
> > /* If so specified via sysctl, panic, yielding cleaner stall-warning output. */
> > static void panic_on_rcu_stall(const struct cpumask *stalled_mask)
> > {
> > -    static int cpu_stall;
> > +    unsigned long count;
> > 
> >    /*
> >     * Attempt to kick out the BPF scheduler if it's installed and defer
> > @@ -170,7 +191,10 @@ static void panic_on_rcu_stall(const struct cpumask *stalled_mask)
> >    if (scx_rcu_cpu_stall(stalled_mask))
> >        return;
> > 
> > -    if (++cpu_stall < sysctl_max_rcu_stall_to_panic)
> > +    /* A lost RMW update only delays the panic by one stall. */
> > +    count = READ_ONCE(sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count) + 1;
> > +    WRITE_ONCE(sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count, count);
> > +    if (count < (unsigned long)READ_ONCE(sysctl_max_rcu_stall_to_panic))
> >        return;
> > 
> >    if (sysctl_panic_on_rcu_stall)
> > 
> > ---
> > base-commit: ce1e0223d8ad4211275c82a17ed6d43ab81e13d9
> > change-id: 20261003-rcu-375496d7704e
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > --
> > Cunlong Li <shenxiaogll@gmail.com>
> > 

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* Re: [PATCH] rcu: Enable runtime reset of the RCU stall panic count
  2026-10-06 11:54   ` Cunlong Li
@ 2026-10-06 12:21     ` Joel Fernandes
  2026-10-06 12:39     ` Joel Fernandes
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Joel Fernandes @ 2026-10-06 12:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Cunlong Li
  Cc: Jonathan Corbet, Shuah Khan, Randy Dunlap, Paul E. McKenney,
	Frederic Weisbecker, Neeraj Upadhyay, Josh Triplett, Boqun Feng,
	Uladzislau Rezki, Steven Rostedt, Mathieu Desnoyers,
	Lai Jiangshan, Zqiang, linux-doc, linux-kernel, rcu



> On Oct 6, 2026, at 7:55 AM, Cunlong Li <shenxiaogll@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Joel, thanks for the review!
> 
>> On Mon, Oct 05, 2026 at 12:56:30PM +0000, Joel Fernandes wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Oct 3, 2026, at 9:14 PM, Cunlong Li <shenxiaogll@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The kernel.panic_on_rcu_stall and kernel.max_rcu_stall_to_panic sysctls
>>> count RCU CPU stalls since system boot, and invoke panic() once
>>> max_rcu_stall_to_panic stalls have elapsed.  This count is never reset,
>>> so stalls caused by transient incidents keep consuming the budget of a
>>> long-running system, and a later unrelated stall can
>> 
>> Please provide examples of specific transient events you ran into, and recovered from?
>> 
>>> immediately
>>> trigger panic() instead of allowing the intended fresh window of
>>> stalls.
>>> 
>>> This commit therefore introduces the kernel.rcu_stall_panic_count
>>> sysctl.  Reading this file reports the number of stalls counted so far,
>>> and writing 0 to it resets the count.  This allows the cumulative stall
>>> history to be cleared after an incident has been resolved, and also
>>> allows userspace to clear the count periodically, so that panic() is
>>> only triggered by a burst of stalls occurring within a short period.
>> 
>> Could you provide details of such an incident that got resolved without requiring a reboot?
> 
> The motivation comes from our customer systems running codex on Ubuntu
> 24.04, with a memory limit of ~8G and zram enabled for swap.  When the
> agent's memory footprint grows, the box spends long stretches in direct
> reclaim (zram makes reclaim CPU-heavy), and we get a continuous stream
> of RCU stall warnings.  In the incidents we have seen so far, the
> warnings kept coming and the systems stayed hung, so we would like to
> enable panic_on_rcu_stall so that the box reboots and the service
> recovers automatically.  However, we do not actually know whether some
> of those stalls were transient, i.e. whether the systems would have
> recovered on their own once the memory pressure subsided.  If they
> were, a panic would kill an otherwise recoverable system, which is
> what we would like to avoid.
> 
> We have not yet been able to reproduce this in the lab.  But transient,
> self-recovering stalls are not a hypothetical: the commit that
> introduced max_rcu_stall_to_panic, dfe564045c65 ("rcu: Panic after
> fixed number of stalls"), states the premise outright:
> 
>    Some stalls are transient, so that system fully recovers.  This
>    commit therefore allows users to configure the number of stalls
>    that must happen in order to trigger kernel panic.
> 
> As described in the commit message, since the counter is never reset,
> stalls caused by transient incidents keep consuming the budget of
> max_rcu_stall_to_panic, and a later unrelated stall can immediately
> trigger panic() instead of allowing the intended fresh window of
> stalls.  This is what motivated the patch.

Ok, add all this to commit message. Use case justification is a must as we weigh in additional complexity.

> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Signed-off-by: Cunlong Li <shenxiaogll@gmail.com>
>> 
>> If the commit is AI assisted, please add an assisted tag.
> 
> Yes, it is AI-assisted, and I will state that in the v2 commit
> message.

OK.

Thanks,

Joel 

> 
> Thanks,
> Cunlong
> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Joel
>> 
>>> ---
>>> Documentation/admin-guide/sysctl/kernel.rst | 15 ++++++++++++++-
>>> kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h                     | 28 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++--
>>> 2 files changed, 40 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
>>> 
>>> diff --git a/Documentation/admin-guide/sysctl/kernel.rst b/Documentation/admin-guide/sysctl/kernel.rst
>>> index ffea61d448eb..64fe2985e358 100644
>>> --- a/Documentation/admin-guide/sysctl/kernel.rst
>>> +++ b/Documentation/admin-guide/sysctl/kernel.rst
>>> @@ -959,7 +959,20 @@ max_rcu_stall_to_panic
>>> When ``panic_on_rcu_stall`` is set to 1, this value determines the
>>> number of times that RCU can stall before panic() is called.
>>> 
>>> -When ``panic_on_rcu_stall`` is set to 0, this value is has no effect.
>>> +When ``panic_on_rcu_stall`` is set to 0, this value has no effect.
>>> +
>>> +rcu_stall_panic_count
>>> +=====================
>>> +
>>> +Indicates the number of RCU CPU stalls that have been counted since
>>> +system boot or since the counter was reset. When ``panic_on_rcu_stall``
>>> +is set to 1, this count is compared against ``max_rcu_stall_to_panic``
>>> +to decide whether panic() should be called.
>>> +
>>> +Writing 0 to this file resets the counter to zero, which restarts the
>>> +``max_rcu_stall_to_panic`` window of stalls. This allows system
>>> +administrators to clear the cumulative stall count after an incident
>>> +has been resolved, without requiring a system restart.
>>> 
>>> perf_cpu_time_max_percent
>>> =========================
>>> diff --git a/kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h b/kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h
>>> index 091e7850ab6e..a80f03e1c7ea 100644
>>> --- a/kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h
>>> +++ b/kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h
>>> @@ -19,6 +19,20 @@
>>> /* panic() on RCU Stall sysctl. */
>>> static int sysctl_panic_on_rcu_stall __read_mostly;
>>> static int sysctl_max_rcu_stall_to_panic __read_mostly;
>>> +static unsigned long sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count;
>>> +
>>> +/* Reset the RCU stall panic count when written to. */
>>> +static int proc_do_rcu_stall_panic_count(const struct ctl_table *table, int write,
>>> +                     void *buffer, size_t *lenp, loff_t *ppos)
>>> +{
>>> +    if (!write)
>>> +        return proc_doulongvec_minmax(table, write, buffer, lenp, ppos);
>>> +
>>> +    WRITE_ONCE(sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count, 0);
>>> +    *ppos += *lenp;
>>> +
>>> +    return 0;
>>> +}
>>> 
>>> static const struct ctl_table rcu_stall_sysctl_table[] = {
>>>   {
>>> @@ -39,6 +53,13 @@ static const struct ctl_table rcu_stall_sysctl_table[] = {
>>>       .extra1        = SYSCTL_ONE,
>>>       .extra2        = SYSCTL_INT_MAX,
>>>   },
>>> +    {
>>> +        .procname    = "rcu_stall_panic_count",
>>> +        .data        = &sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count,
>>> +        .maxlen        = sizeof(sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count),
>>> +        .mode        = 0644,
>>> +        .proc_handler    = proc_do_rcu_stall_panic_count,
>>> +    },
>>> };
>>> 
>>> static int __init init_rcu_stall_sysctl(void)
>>> @@ -161,7 +182,7 @@ early_initcall(check_cpu_stall_init);
>>> /* If so specified via sysctl, panic, yielding cleaner stall-warning output. */
>>> static void panic_on_rcu_stall(const struct cpumask *stalled_mask)
>>> {
>>> -    static int cpu_stall;
>>> +    unsigned long count;
>>> 
>>>   /*
>>>    * Attempt to kick out the BPF scheduler if it's installed and defer
>>> @@ -170,7 +191,10 @@ static void panic_on_rcu_stall(const struct cpumask *stalled_mask)
>>>   if (scx_rcu_cpu_stall(stalled_mask))
>>>       return;
>>> 
>>> -    if (++cpu_stall < sysctl_max_rcu_stall_to_panic)
>>> +    /* A lost RMW update only delays the panic by one stall. */
>>> +    count = READ_ONCE(sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count) + 1;
>>> +    WRITE_ONCE(sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count, count);
>>> +    if (count < (unsigned long)READ_ONCE(sysctl_max_rcu_stall_to_panic))
>>>       return;
>>> 
>>>   if (sysctl_panic_on_rcu_stall)
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> base-commit: ce1e0223d8ad4211275c82a17ed6d43ab81e13d9
>>> change-id: 20261003-rcu-375496d7704e
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> --
>>> Cunlong Li <shenxiaogll@gmail.com>
>>> 

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* Re: [PATCH] rcu: Enable runtime reset of the RCU stall panic count
  2026-10-06 11:54   ` Cunlong Li
  2026-10-06 12:21     ` Joel Fernandes
@ 2026-10-06 12:39     ` Joel Fernandes
  2026-10-06 13:17       ` Cunlong Li
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Joel Fernandes @ 2026-10-06 12:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Cunlong Li
  Cc: Jonathan Corbet, Shuah Khan, Randy Dunlap, Paul E. McKenney,
	Frederic Weisbecker, Neeraj Upadhyay, Josh Triplett, Boqun Feng,
	Uladzislau Rezki, Steven Rostedt, Mathieu Desnoyers,
	Lai Jiangshan, Zqiang, linux-doc, linux-kernel, rcu



> On Oct 6, 2026, at 7:55 AM, Cunlong Li <shenxiaogll@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Joel, thanks for the review!
> 
>> On Mon, Oct 05, 2026 at 12:56:30PM +0000, Joel Fernandes wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Oct 3, 2026, at 9:14 PM, Cunlong Li <shenxiaogll@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The kernel.panic_on_rcu_stall and kernel.max_rcu_stall_to_panic sysctls
>>> count RCU CPU stalls since system boot, and invoke panic() once
>>> max_rcu_stall_to_panic stalls have elapsed.  This count is never reset,
>>> so stalls caused by transient incidents keep consuming the budget of a
>>> long-running system, and a later unrelated stall can
>> 
>> Please provide examples of specific transient events you ran into, and recovered from?
>> 
>>> immediately
>>> trigger panic() instead of allowing the intended fresh window of
>>> stalls.
>>> 
>>> This commit therefore introduces the kernel.rcu_stall_panic_count
>>> sysctl.  Reading this file reports the number of stalls counted so far,
>>> and writing 0 to it resets the count.  This allows the cumulative stall
>>> history to be cleared after an incident has been resolved, and also
>>> allows userspace to clear the count periodically, so that panic() is
>>> only triggered by a burst of stalls occurring within a short period.
>> 
>> Could you provide details of such an incident that got resolved without requiring a reboot?
> 
> The motivation comes from our customer systems running codex on Ubuntu
> 24.04, with a memory limit of ~8G and zram enabled for swap.  When the
> agent's memory footprint grows, the box spends long stretches in direct
> reclaim (zram makes reclaim CPU-heavy), and we get a continuous stream
> of RCU stall warnings.  In the incidents we have seen so far, the
> warnings kept coming and the systems stayed hung, so we would like to
> enable panic_on_rcu_stall so that the box reboots and the service
> recovers automatically.  However, we do not actually know whether some
> of those stalls were transient, i.e. whether the systems would have
> recovered on their own once the memory pressure subsided.  If they
> were, a panic would kill an otherwise recoverable system, which is
> what we would like to avoid.

Wait, so does that not mean that if the stalls were legitimately non transient, you prevent killing the system too?

It sounds like you do know that it is likely transient - but based on this description and the below, it sounds like you have not yet found a use of this patch.


> 
> We have not yet been able to reproduce this in the lab.

So you are not using this patch or made use of it?

I am starting to doubt if we want this patch so please make your case properly :-)

Thanks,

Joel

>  But transient,
> self-recovering stalls are not a hypothetical: the commit that
> introduced max_rcu_stall_to_panic, dfe564045c65 ("rcu: Panic after
> fixed number of stalls"), states the premise outright:
> 
>    Some stalls are transient, so that system fully recovers.  This
>    commit therefore allows users to configure the number of stalls
>    that must happen in order to trigger kernel panic.
> 
> As described in the commit message, since the counter is never reset,
> stalls caused by transient incidents keep consuming the budget of
> max_rcu_stall_to_panic, and a later unrelated stall can immediately
> trigger panic() instead of allowing the intended fresh window of
> stalls.  This is what motivated the patch.
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Signed-off-by: Cunlong Li <shenxiaogll@gmail.com>
>> 
>> If the commit is AI assisted, please add an assisted tag.
> 
> Yes, it is AI-assisted, and I will state that in the v2 commit
> message.
> 
> Thanks,
> Cunlong
> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Joel
>> 
>>> ---
>>> Documentation/admin-guide/sysctl/kernel.rst | 15 ++++++++++++++-
>>> kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h                     | 28 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++--
>>> 2 files changed, 40 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
>>> 
>>> diff --git a/Documentation/admin-guide/sysctl/kernel.rst b/Documentation/admin-guide/sysctl/kernel.rst
>>> index ffea61d448eb..64fe2985e358 100644
>>> --- a/Documentation/admin-guide/sysctl/kernel.rst
>>> +++ b/Documentation/admin-guide/sysctl/kernel.rst
>>> @@ -959,7 +959,20 @@ max_rcu_stall_to_panic
>>> When ``panic_on_rcu_stall`` is set to 1, this value determines the
>>> number of times that RCU can stall before panic() is called.
>>> 
>>> -When ``panic_on_rcu_stall`` is set to 0, this value is has no effect.
>>> +When ``panic_on_rcu_stall`` is set to 0, this value has no effect.
>>> +
>>> +rcu_stall_panic_count
>>> +=====================
>>> +
>>> +Indicates the number of RCU CPU stalls that have been counted since
>>> +system boot or since the counter was reset. When ``panic_on_rcu_stall``
>>> +is set to 1, this count is compared against ``max_rcu_stall_to_panic``
>>> +to decide whether panic() should be called.
>>> +
>>> +Writing 0 to this file resets the counter to zero, which restarts the
>>> +``max_rcu_stall_to_panic`` window of stalls. This allows system
>>> +administrators to clear the cumulative stall count after an incident
>>> +has been resolved, without requiring a system restart.
>>> 
>>> perf_cpu_time_max_percent
>>> =========================
>>> diff --git a/kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h b/kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h
>>> index 091e7850ab6e..a80f03e1c7ea 100644
>>> --- a/kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h
>>> +++ b/kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h
>>> @@ -19,6 +19,20 @@
>>> /* panic() on RCU Stall sysctl. */
>>> static int sysctl_panic_on_rcu_stall __read_mostly;
>>> static int sysctl_max_rcu_stall_to_panic __read_mostly;
>>> +static unsigned long sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count;
>>> +
>>> +/* Reset the RCU stall panic count when written to. */
>>> +static int proc_do_rcu_stall_panic_count(const struct ctl_table *table, int write,
>>> +                     void *buffer, size_t *lenp, loff_t *ppos)
>>> +{
>>> +    if (!write)
>>> +        return proc_doulongvec_minmax(table, write, buffer, lenp, ppos);
>>> +
>>> +    WRITE_ONCE(sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count, 0);
>>> +    *ppos += *lenp;
>>> +
>>> +    return 0;
>>> +}
>>> 
>>> static const struct ctl_table rcu_stall_sysctl_table[] = {
>>>   {
>>> @@ -39,6 +53,13 @@ static const struct ctl_table rcu_stall_sysctl_table[] = {
>>>       .extra1        = SYSCTL_ONE,
>>>       .extra2        = SYSCTL_INT_MAX,
>>>   },
>>> +    {
>>> +        .procname    = "rcu_stall_panic_count",
>>> +        .data        = &sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count,
>>> +        .maxlen        = sizeof(sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count),
>>> +        .mode        = 0644,
>>> +        .proc_handler    = proc_do_rcu_stall_panic_count,
>>> +    },
>>> };
>>> 
>>> static int __init init_rcu_stall_sysctl(void)
>>> @@ -161,7 +182,7 @@ early_initcall(check_cpu_stall_init);
>>> /* If so specified via sysctl, panic, yielding cleaner stall-warning output. */
>>> static void panic_on_rcu_stall(const struct cpumask *stalled_mask)
>>> {
>>> -    static int cpu_stall;
>>> +    unsigned long count;
>>> 
>>>   /*
>>>    * Attempt to kick out the BPF scheduler if it's installed and defer
>>> @@ -170,7 +191,10 @@ static void panic_on_rcu_stall(const struct cpumask *stalled_mask)
>>>   if (scx_rcu_cpu_stall(stalled_mask))
>>>       return;
>>> 
>>> -    if (++cpu_stall < sysctl_max_rcu_stall_to_panic)
>>> +    /* A lost RMW update only delays the panic by one stall. */
>>> +    count = READ_ONCE(sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count) + 1;
>>> +    WRITE_ONCE(sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count, count);
>>> +    if (count < (unsigned long)READ_ONCE(sysctl_max_rcu_stall_to_panic))
>>>       return;
>>> 
>>>   if (sysctl_panic_on_rcu_stall)
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> base-commit: ce1e0223d8ad4211275c82a17ed6d43ab81e13d9
>>> change-id: 20261003-rcu-375496d7704e
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> --
>>> Cunlong Li <shenxiaogll@gmail.com>
>>> 

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* Re: [PATCH] rcu: Enable runtime reset of the RCU stall panic count
  2026-10-06 12:39     ` Joel Fernandes
@ 2026-10-06 13:17       ` Cunlong Li
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Cunlong Li @ 2026-10-06 13:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Joel Fernandes
  Cc: Jonathan Corbet, Shuah Khan, Randy Dunlap, Paul E. McKenney,
	Frederic Weisbecker, Neeraj Upadhyay, Josh Triplett, Boqun Feng,
	Uladzislau Rezki, Steven Rostedt, Mathieu Desnoyers,
	Lai Jiangshan, Zqiang, linux-doc, linux-kernel, rcu

Hi Joel,

Thanks for the quick reply!

On Tue, Oct 06, 2026 at 12:39:17PM +0000, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> 
> 
> > On Oct 6, 2026, at 7:55 AM, Cunlong Li <shenxiaogll@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Joel, thanks for the review!
> > 
> >> On Mon, Oct 05, 2026 at 12:56:30PM +0000, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >>>> On Oct 3, 2026, at 9:14 PM, Cunlong Li <shenxiaogll@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> The kernel.panic_on_rcu_stall and kernel.max_rcu_stall_to_panic sysctls
> >>> count RCU CPU stalls since system boot, and invoke panic() once
> >>> max_rcu_stall_to_panic stalls have elapsed.  This count is never reset,
> >>> so stalls caused by transient incidents keep consuming the budget of a
> >>> long-running system, and a later unrelated stall can
> >> 
> >> Please provide examples of specific transient events you ran into, and recovered from?
> >> 
> >>> immediately
> >>> trigger panic() instead of allowing the intended fresh window of
> >>> stalls.
> >>> 
> >>> This commit therefore introduces the kernel.rcu_stall_panic_count
> >>> sysctl.  Reading this file reports the number of stalls counted so far,
> >>> and writing 0 to it resets the count.  This allows the cumulative stall
> >>> history to be cleared after an incident has been resolved, and also
> >>> allows userspace to clear the count periodically, so that panic() is
> >>> only triggered by a burst of stalls occurring within a short period.
> >> 
> >> Could you provide details of such an incident that got resolved without requiring a reboot?
> > 
> > The motivation comes from our customer systems running codex on Ubuntu
> > 24.04, with a memory limit of ~8G and zram enabled for swap.  When the
> > agent's memory footprint grows, the box spends long stretches in direct
> > reclaim (zram makes reclaim CPU-heavy), and we get a continuous stream
> > of RCU stall warnings.  In the incidents we have seen so far, the
> > warnings kept coming and the systems stayed hung, so we would like to
> > enable panic_on_rcu_stall so that the box reboots and the service
> > recovers automatically.  However, we do not actually know whether some
> > of those stalls were transient, i.e. whether the systems would have
> > recovered on their own once the memory pressure subsided.  If they
> > were, a panic would kill an otherwise recoverable system, which is
> > what we would like to avoid.
> 
> Wait, so does that not mean that if the stalls were legitimately non transient, you prevent killing the system too?

All the incidents we have seen so far appeared to be non-transient:
in one case a VM stayed hung for over 30 hours with repeated RCU stall
warnings on the console, and was finally recovered only by a forced
reset.  This is precisely why we want panic_on_rcu_stall, and the
reset does not stand in its way.

Our plan is to have userspace clear the count once an hour.  With a
non-transient stall, the warnings keep coming, so the count still
reaches max_rcu_stall_to_panic well within the hour, and the system
panics and reboots as intended.

> 
> It sounds like you do know that it is likely transient - but based on this description and the below, it sounds like you have not yet found a use of this patch.
> 
> 

To be precise, we worry that some of the stalls were transient, so a
panic reboot would affect the users.  But we have no hard evidence
either way: every incident ended in a forced reset, and the dmesg was
lost.  Going forward, we plan to enable the NMI and kdump to keep
investigating the cause of the RCU stalls. We will also monitor dmesg
to confirm whether transient RCU stalls actually occur.

> > 
> > We have not yet been able to reproduce this in the lab.
> 
> So you are not using this patch or made use of it?

Not in production yet.  We have exercised it with rcutorture's CPU
stall testing and verified that the counting and reset behave as
expected.

> 
> I am starting to doubt if we want this patch so please make your case properly :-)
> 

From my point of view, max_rcu_stall_to_panic needs improvement: as
implemented, it triggers panic() on the Nth stall since boot.  Given
the background of its introduction -- that some stalls are transient
and the system fully recovers from them -- what it should provide is
N consecutive stalls, or N stalls accumulated within a short period.
The resettable count is the minimal change that provides this.

Thanks,
Cunlong

> Thanks,
> 
> Joel
> 
> >  But transient,
> > self-recovering stalls are not a hypothetical: the commit that
> > introduced max_rcu_stall_to_panic, dfe564045c65 ("rcu: Panic after
> > fixed number of stalls"), states the premise outright:
> > 
> >    Some stalls are transient, so that system fully recovers.  This
> >    commit therefore allows users to configure the number of stalls
> >    that must happen in order to trigger kernel panic.
> > 
> > As described in the commit message, since the counter is never reset,
> > stalls caused by transient incidents keep consuming the budget of
> > max_rcu_stall_to_panic, and a later unrelated stall can immediately
> > trigger panic() instead of allowing the intended fresh window of
> > stalls.  This is what motivated the patch.
> > 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> 
> >>> Signed-off-by: Cunlong Li <shenxiaogll@gmail.com>
> >> 
> >> If the commit is AI assisted, please add an assisted tag.
> > 
> > Yes, it is AI-assisted, and I will state that in the v2 commit
> > message.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Cunlong
> > 
> >> 
> >> Thanks,
> >> 
> >> Joel
> >> 
> >>> ---
> >>> Documentation/admin-guide/sysctl/kernel.rst | 15 ++++++++++++++-
> >>> kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h                     | 28 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++--
> >>> 2 files changed, 40 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
> >>> 
> >>> diff --git a/Documentation/admin-guide/sysctl/kernel.rst b/Documentation/admin-guide/sysctl/kernel.rst
> >>> index ffea61d448eb..64fe2985e358 100644
> >>> --- a/Documentation/admin-guide/sysctl/kernel.rst
> >>> +++ b/Documentation/admin-guide/sysctl/kernel.rst
> >>> @@ -959,7 +959,20 @@ max_rcu_stall_to_panic
> >>> When ``panic_on_rcu_stall`` is set to 1, this value determines the
> >>> number of times that RCU can stall before panic() is called.
> >>> 
> >>> -When ``panic_on_rcu_stall`` is set to 0, this value is has no effect.
> >>> +When ``panic_on_rcu_stall`` is set to 0, this value has no effect.
> >>> +
> >>> +rcu_stall_panic_count
> >>> +=====================
> >>> +
> >>> +Indicates the number of RCU CPU stalls that have been counted since
> >>> +system boot or since the counter was reset. When ``panic_on_rcu_stall``
> >>> +is set to 1, this count is compared against ``max_rcu_stall_to_panic``
> >>> +to decide whether panic() should be called.
> >>> +
> >>> +Writing 0 to this file resets the counter to zero, which restarts the
> >>> +``max_rcu_stall_to_panic`` window of stalls. This allows system
> >>> +administrators to clear the cumulative stall count after an incident
> >>> +has been resolved, without requiring a system restart.
> >>> 
> >>> perf_cpu_time_max_percent
> >>> =========================
> >>> diff --git a/kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h b/kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h
> >>> index 091e7850ab6e..a80f03e1c7ea 100644
> >>> --- a/kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h
> >>> +++ b/kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h
> >>> @@ -19,6 +19,20 @@
> >>> /* panic() on RCU Stall sysctl. */
> >>> static int sysctl_panic_on_rcu_stall __read_mostly;
> >>> static int sysctl_max_rcu_stall_to_panic __read_mostly;
> >>> +static unsigned long sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count;
> >>> +
> >>> +/* Reset the RCU stall panic count when written to. */
> >>> +static int proc_do_rcu_stall_panic_count(const struct ctl_table *table, int write,
> >>> +                     void *buffer, size_t *lenp, loff_t *ppos)
> >>> +{
> >>> +    if (!write)
> >>> +        return proc_doulongvec_minmax(table, write, buffer, lenp, ppos);
> >>> +
> >>> +    WRITE_ONCE(sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count, 0);
> >>> +    *ppos += *lenp;
> >>> +
> >>> +    return 0;
> >>> +}
> >>> 
> >>> static const struct ctl_table rcu_stall_sysctl_table[] = {
> >>>   {
> >>> @@ -39,6 +53,13 @@ static const struct ctl_table rcu_stall_sysctl_table[] = {
> >>>       .extra1        = SYSCTL_ONE,
> >>>       .extra2        = SYSCTL_INT_MAX,
> >>>   },
> >>> +    {
> >>> +        .procname    = "rcu_stall_panic_count",
> >>> +        .data        = &sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count,
> >>> +        .maxlen        = sizeof(sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count),
> >>> +        .mode        = 0644,
> >>> +        .proc_handler    = proc_do_rcu_stall_panic_count,
> >>> +    },
> >>> };
> >>> 
> >>> static int __init init_rcu_stall_sysctl(void)
> >>> @@ -161,7 +182,7 @@ early_initcall(check_cpu_stall_init);
> >>> /* If so specified via sysctl, panic, yielding cleaner stall-warning output. */
> >>> static void panic_on_rcu_stall(const struct cpumask *stalled_mask)
> >>> {
> >>> -    static int cpu_stall;
> >>> +    unsigned long count;
> >>> 
> >>>   /*
> >>>    * Attempt to kick out the BPF scheduler if it's installed and defer
> >>> @@ -170,7 +191,10 @@ static void panic_on_rcu_stall(const struct cpumask *stalled_mask)
> >>>   if (scx_rcu_cpu_stall(stalled_mask))
> >>>       return;
> >>> 
> >>> -    if (++cpu_stall < sysctl_max_rcu_stall_to_panic)
> >>> +    /* A lost RMW update only delays the panic by one stall. */
> >>> +    count = READ_ONCE(sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count) + 1;
> >>> +    WRITE_ONCE(sysctl_rcu_stall_panic_count, count);
> >>> +    if (count < (unsigned long)READ_ONCE(sysctl_max_rcu_stall_to_panic))
> >>>       return;
> >>> 
> >>>   if (sysctl_panic_on_rcu_stall)
> >>> 
> >>> ---
> >>> base-commit: ce1e0223d8ad4211275c82a17ed6d43ab81e13d9
> >>> change-id: 20261003-rcu-375496d7704e
> >>> 
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> --
> >>> Cunlong Li <shenxiaogll@gmail.com>
> >>> 

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