mirror of https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>
To: "Edgecombe, Rick P" <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>
Cc: "pbonzini@redhat.com" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Hansen, Dave" <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	"seanjc@google.com" <seanjc@google.com>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Du, Fan" <fan.du@intel.com>,
	"Li, Xiaoyao" <xiaoyao.li@intel.com>,
	"Huang, Kai" <kai.huang@intel.com>,
	"thomas.lendacky@amd.com" <thomas.lendacky@amd.com>,
	"tabba@google.com" <tabba@google.com>,
	"vbabka@suse.cz" <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	"david@kernel.org" <david@kernel.org>,
	"kas@kernel.org" <kas@kernel.org>,
	"michael.roth@amd.com" <michael.roth@amd.com>,
	"binbin.wu@linux.intel.com" <binbin.wu@linux.intel.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Peng, Chao P" <chao.p.peng@intel.com>,
	"ackerleytng@google.com" <ackerleytng@google.com>,
	"nik.borisov@suse.com" <nik.borisov@suse.com>,
	"francescolavra.fl@gmail.com" <francescolavra.fl@gmail.com>,
	"sagis@google.com" <sagis@google.com>,
	"Annapurve, Vishal" <vannapurve@google.com>,
	"Chen, Farrah" <farrah.chen@intel.com>,
	"Gao, Chao" <chao.gao@intel.com>,
	"Miao, Jun" <jun.miao@intel.com>,
	"jgross@suse.com" <jgross@suse.com>,
	"pgonda@google.com" <pgonda@google.com>,
	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 01/17] x86/virt/tdx: Enhance tdx_pamt_get/put() to support huge pages
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2026 18:18:36 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <asoQ/P7sghrEVDQs@yzhao56-desk.sh.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e494996660b45273590860e961b36378c4099c03.camel@intel.com>

On Fri, Oct 02, 2026 at 07:02:40AM +0800, Edgecombe, Rick P wrote:
> On Mon, 2026-09-28 at 17:08 +0800, Yan Zhao wrote:
> > The TDX module uses PAMT to track metadata for every physical page (within
> > TDMR) across three levels: 1GB, 2MB, and 4KB. The VMM is responsible for
> > providing backing pages for the PAMT. Without Dynamic PAMT (DPAMT), all
> > PAMT backing pages are allocated statically at system boot time. With DPAMT
> > enabled, PAMT backing pages tracking physical pages at the 4KB level
> > (referred to as DPAMT pages) are dynamically installed and uninstalled at
> > runtime.
> > 
> > Currently, the VMM invokes tdx_pamt_get()/tdx_pamt_put() to install and
> > uninstall DPAMT pages under the assumption that all physical pages are
> > tracked at 4KB level.  However, when a guest page is mapped as a huge page
> > in the S-EPT, the TDX module tracks it directly at the huge page level,
> > meaning installation and uninstallation of DPAMT pages for huge pages is
> > neither needed nor applicable.
> > 
> > Add a "level" parameter to tdx_pamt_get()/tdx_pamt_put() so the helpers
> > can skip DPAMT page installation and uninstallation for huge pages.
> 
> I guess this means we need to make sure to get/put at the right level that the
> TDX module is using it as. For example in this implementation, if a huge page
> gets demoted, we can't call them like this:
> 1. tdx_pamt_get(huge_pfn, PG_LEVEL_2MB)
> 2. demote(huge_pfn)
> 3. tdx_pamt_put(huge_pfn, PG_LEVEL_2MB)
Actually, calling in this way is fine, since steps 1 & 3 are effectively no-ops.
However, we can't call them like below.

1. tdx_pamt_get(huge_pfn, PG_LEVEL_2MB)
2. demote(huge_pfn)
3. tdx_pamt_put(huge_pfn, PG_LEVEL_4KB)

That's why 1 & 3 are not required and DPAMT pages management for the private
guest page being demoted are handled in demote().

> So it is up to the caller to reason about what the mapping level is.
Yes.

> Which makes me wonder what is the point of passing level? The caller has to
> reason about what level the TDX module is using the memory at. The
> pamt_get/put() have to take their best guess at the ambiguity. For example line
> 3 above could actually free the PAMT, but it can't know to do that. Unless we
> added some internal tracking, but it seems too much.
>
> There are only three places where a non-4KB level is passed to get/put. We could
> alternatively drop this patch and have KVM decide whether to call get/put or
> not. Since it is actually the only thing that knows the right page size.
> What do you think?
Are you suggesting the implementation in v3 [1]?

In DPAMT combined v5, Sean moved the level checking from KVM to
tdx_pamt_{get/put}() [2].
However, Sean's version introduced __tdx_pamt_{get/put}() for invocations where
4KB size is enforced.

During our internal review, you said:
"Can you also justify why to have two functions instead of page LEVEL_4K in a
few places?"

So, compared to passing level to tdx_pamt_{get/put}() while introducing
__tdx_pamt_{get/put}() for the always-4KB invocations, I updated the patch to
drop __tdx_pamt_{get/put}(), having KVM pass 4KB directly in the always-4KB
invocations.

I'm actually ok with any of these approaches. It seems they all require the
caller to know about the right level size and whether to invoke PAMT get/put.

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20260106102304.25211-1-yan.y.zhao@intel.com
[2] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20260129011517.3545883-30-seanjc@google.com

  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-10 10:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-28  9:07 [PATCH v4 00/17] KVM: TDX huge page support for private memory Yan Zhao
2026-09-28  9:08 ` [PATCH v4 01/17] x86/virt/tdx: Enhance tdx_pamt_get/put() to support huge pages Yan Zhao
2026-10-01 23:02   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-10 10:18     ` Yan Zhao [this message]
2026-10-12 23:18       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-15  3:41         ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-15 18:11           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-19  6:35             ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-21 21:28               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-22  9:21                 ` Yan Zhao
2026-09-28  9:08 ` [PATCH v4 02/17] x86/virt/tdx: Add a SEAMCALL wrapper to demote a 2MB huge page Yan Zhao
2026-10-02  0:54   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-12  9:31     ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-12 22:16       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-14  9:40         ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-14 18:32           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-15  6:11             ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-15  9:28               ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-15  9:49                 ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-15 18:30                   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-19 11:04                     ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-21 22:02                       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-22  8:46                         ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-22 15:51                           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-23  8:12                             ` Yan Zhao
2026-09-28  9:08 ` [PATCH v4 03/17] KVM: TDX: Reset private huge pages after S-EPT page removal Yan Zhao
2026-10-07  0:06   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-10  9:22     ` Yan Zhao
2026-09-28  9:09 ` [PATCH v4 04/17] KVM: x86/mmu: Prevent huge page promotion for mirror roots in fault path Yan Zhao
2026-10-07  0:32   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-09-28  9:09 ` [PATCH v4 05/17] KVM: x86/tdp_mmu: Alloc external_spt page for mirror page table splitting Yan Zhao
2026-10-07  0:33   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-10  7:41     ` Yan Zhao
2026-09-28  9:10 ` [PATCH v4 06/17] KVM: x86/mmu: Allocate DPAMT pages for vCPU-induced page split Yan Zhao
2026-10-07 15:45   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-10  6:37     ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-10  6:40       ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-12 16:41       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-09-28  9:10 ` [PATCH v4 07/17] KVM: TDX: Add core support for splitting/demoting 2MB S-EPT mappings to 4KB Yan Zhao
2026-10-07 21:52   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-10  6:34     ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-12 16:40       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-14  5:39         ` Yan Zhao
2026-09-28  9:10 ` [PATCH v4 08/17] KVM: TDX: Adjust the topup count of DPAMT page pairs for splitting S-EPT Yan Zhao
2026-10-07 22:48   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-08  1:16     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-09  9:08       ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-09 22:12         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-10  5:13           ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-12 16:36             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-14  5:36               ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-14 18:34                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-15  4:47                   ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-15 17:21                     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-19  1:59                       ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-21 22:28                         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-22  7:24                           ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-22 15:56                             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-22 23:59                               ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-23  1:20                                 ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-23  1:56                                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-23  2:03                                   ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-23  2:06                                     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-23  2:12                                       ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-23  2:15                                         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-09  8:39     ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-09 22:11       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-10  5:18         ` Yan Zhao
2026-09-28  9:10 ` [PATCH v4 09/17] KVM: x86/mmu: Introduce hugepage_set_guest_inhibit() Yan Zhao
2026-10-07 23:57   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-10  6:00     ` Yan Zhao
2026-09-28  9:11 ` [PATCH v4 10/17] KVM: x86/mmu: Add a TDP MMU API to split huge pages for mirror roots Yan Zhao
2026-10-08  0:25   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-09-28  9:11 ` [PATCH v4 11/17] KVM: TDX: Honor the guest's accept level contained in an EPT violation Yan Zhao
2026-10-08  1:05   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-09  9:33     ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-09 22:00       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-10  5:42         ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-12 16:14           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-09-28  9:11 ` [PATCH v4 12/17] KVM: x86/mmu: Add support for splitting S-EPT entry under non-vCPU context Yan Zhao
2026-09-28  9:11 ` [PATCH v4 13/17] [GMEM-DEPENDENT] KVM: guest_memfd: Add helpers to get start/end gfns give gmem+slot+pgoff Yan Zhao
2026-10-08 23:16   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-09-28  9:11 ` [PATCH v4 14/17] [GMEM-DEPENDENT] KVM: guest_memfd: Split kvm_gmem_invalidate_start() to start() and zap() Yan Zhao
2026-09-28  9:12 ` [PATCH v4 15/17] [GMEM-DEPENDENT] KVM: guest_memfd: Add a pre-zap hook .gmem_prezap() Yan Zhao
2026-10-14  7:01   ` Yan Zhao
2026-09-28  9:12 ` [PATCH v4 16/17] [GMEM-DEPENDENT] KVM: TDX: Implement .gmem_prezap() hook to split S-EPT Yan Zhao
2026-09-28  9:12 ` [PATCH v4 17/17] KVM: TDX: Turn on PG_LEVEL_2M Yan Zhao

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=asoQ/P7sghrEVDQs@yzhao56-desk.sh.intel.com \
    --to=yan.y.zhao@intel.com \
    --cc=ackerleytng@google.com \
    --cc=binbin.wu@linux.intel.com \
    --cc=chao.gao@intel.com \
    --cc=chao.p.peng@intel.com \
    --cc=dave.hansen@intel.com \
    --cc=david@kernel.org \
    --cc=fan.du@intel.com \
    --cc=farrah.chen@intel.com \
    --cc=francescolavra.fl@gmail.com \
    --cc=jgross@suse.com \
    --cc=jun.miao@intel.com \
    --cc=kai.huang@intel.com \
    --cc=kas@kernel.org \
    --cc=kvm@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=michael.roth@amd.com \
    --cc=nik.borisov@suse.com \
    --cc=pbonzini@redhat.com \
    --cc=pgonda@google.com \
    --cc=rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com \
    --cc=sagis@google.com \
    --cc=seanjc@google.com \
    --cc=tabba@google.com \
    --cc=thomas.lendacky@amd.com \
    --cc=vannapurve@google.com \
    --cc=vbabka@suse.cz \
    --cc=x86@kernel.org \
    --cc=xiaoyao.li@intel.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox

all inboxes | Powered by JetHome®