From: Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 01/17] x86/virt/tdx: Enhance tdx_pamt_get/put() to support huge pages
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2026 18:18:36 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <asoQ/P7sghrEVDQs@yzhao56-desk.sh.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e494996660b45273590860e961b36378c4099c03.camel@intel.com>
On Fri, Oct 02, 2026 at 07:02:40AM +0800, Edgecombe, Rick P wrote:
> On Mon, 2026-09-28 at 17:08 +0800, Yan Zhao wrote:
> > The TDX module uses PAMT to track metadata for every physical page (within
> > TDMR) across three levels: 1GB, 2MB, and 4KB. The VMM is responsible for
> > providing backing pages for the PAMT. Without Dynamic PAMT (DPAMT), all
> > PAMT backing pages are allocated statically at system boot time. With DPAMT
> > enabled, PAMT backing pages tracking physical pages at the 4KB level
> > (referred to as DPAMT pages) are dynamically installed and uninstalled at
> > runtime.
> >
> > Currently, the VMM invokes tdx_pamt_get()/tdx_pamt_put() to install and
> > uninstall DPAMT pages under the assumption that all physical pages are
> > tracked at 4KB level. However, when a guest page is mapped as a huge page
> > in the S-EPT, the TDX module tracks it directly at the huge page level,
> > meaning installation and uninstallation of DPAMT pages for huge pages is
> > neither needed nor applicable.
> >
> > Add a "level" parameter to tdx_pamt_get()/tdx_pamt_put() so the helpers
> > can skip DPAMT page installation and uninstallation for huge pages.
>
> I guess this means we need to make sure to get/put at the right level that the
> TDX module is using it as. For example in this implementation, if a huge page
> gets demoted, we can't call them like this:
> 1. tdx_pamt_get(huge_pfn, PG_LEVEL_2MB)
> 2. demote(huge_pfn)
> 3. tdx_pamt_put(huge_pfn, PG_LEVEL_2MB)
Actually, calling in this way is fine, since steps 1 & 3 are effectively no-ops.
However, we can't call them like below.
1. tdx_pamt_get(huge_pfn, PG_LEVEL_2MB)
2. demote(huge_pfn)
3. tdx_pamt_put(huge_pfn, PG_LEVEL_4KB)
That's why 1 & 3 are not required and DPAMT pages management for the private
guest page being demoted are handled in demote().
> So it is up to the caller to reason about what the mapping level is.
Yes.
> Which makes me wonder what is the point of passing level? The caller has to
> reason about what level the TDX module is using the memory at. The
> pamt_get/put() have to take their best guess at the ambiguity. For example line
> 3 above could actually free the PAMT, but it can't know to do that. Unless we
> added some internal tracking, but it seems too much.
>
> There are only three places where a non-4KB level is passed to get/put. We could
> alternatively drop this patch and have KVM decide whether to call get/put or
> not. Since it is actually the only thing that knows the right page size.
> What do you think?
Are you suggesting the implementation in v3 [1]?
In DPAMT combined v5, Sean moved the level checking from KVM to
tdx_pamt_{get/put}() [2].
However, Sean's version introduced __tdx_pamt_{get/put}() for invocations where
4KB size is enforced.
During our internal review, you said:
"Can you also justify why to have two functions instead of page LEVEL_4K in a
few places?"
So, compared to passing level to tdx_pamt_{get/put}() while introducing
__tdx_pamt_{get/put}() for the always-4KB invocations, I updated the patch to
drop __tdx_pamt_{get/put}(), having KVM pass 4KB directly in the always-4KB
invocations.
I'm actually ok with any of these approaches. It seems they all require the
caller to know about the right level size and whether to invoke PAMT get/put.
[1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20260106102304.25211-1-yan.y.zhao@intel.com
[2] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20260129011517.3545883-30-seanjc@google.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-10-10 10:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-09-28 9:07 [PATCH v4 00/17] KVM: TDX huge page support for private memory Yan Zhao
2026-09-28 9:08 ` [PATCH v4 01/17] x86/virt/tdx: Enhance tdx_pamt_get/put() to support huge pages Yan Zhao
2026-10-01 23:02 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-10 10:18 ` Yan Zhao [this message]
2026-10-12 23:18 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-15 3:41 ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-15 18:11 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-19 6:35 ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-21 21:28 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-22 9:21 ` Yan Zhao
2026-09-28 9:08 ` [PATCH v4 02/17] x86/virt/tdx: Add a SEAMCALL wrapper to demote a 2MB huge page Yan Zhao
2026-10-02 0:54 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-12 9:31 ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-12 22:16 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-14 9:40 ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-14 18:32 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-15 6:11 ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-15 9:28 ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-15 9:49 ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-15 18:30 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-19 11:04 ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-21 22:02 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-22 8:46 ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-22 15:51 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-23 8:12 ` Yan Zhao
2026-09-28 9:08 ` [PATCH v4 03/17] KVM: TDX: Reset private huge pages after S-EPT page removal Yan Zhao
2026-10-07 0:06 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-10 9:22 ` Yan Zhao
2026-09-28 9:09 ` [PATCH v4 04/17] KVM: x86/mmu: Prevent huge page promotion for mirror roots in fault path Yan Zhao
2026-10-07 0:32 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-09-28 9:09 ` [PATCH v4 05/17] KVM: x86/tdp_mmu: Alloc external_spt page for mirror page table splitting Yan Zhao
2026-10-07 0:33 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-10 7:41 ` Yan Zhao
2026-09-28 9:10 ` [PATCH v4 06/17] KVM: x86/mmu: Allocate DPAMT pages for vCPU-induced page split Yan Zhao
2026-10-07 15:45 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-10 6:37 ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-10 6:40 ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-12 16:41 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-09-28 9:10 ` [PATCH v4 07/17] KVM: TDX: Add core support for splitting/demoting 2MB S-EPT mappings to 4KB Yan Zhao
2026-10-07 21:52 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-10 6:34 ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-12 16:40 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-14 5:39 ` Yan Zhao
2026-09-28 9:10 ` [PATCH v4 08/17] KVM: TDX: Adjust the topup count of DPAMT page pairs for splitting S-EPT Yan Zhao
2026-10-07 22:48 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-08 1:16 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-09 9:08 ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-09 22:12 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-10 5:13 ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-12 16:36 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-14 5:36 ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-14 18:34 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-15 4:47 ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-15 17:21 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-19 1:59 ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-21 22:28 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-22 7:24 ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-22 15:56 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-22 23:59 ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-23 1:20 ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-23 1:56 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-23 2:03 ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-23 2:06 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-23 2:12 ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-23 2:15 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-09 8:39 ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-09 22:11 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-10 5:18 ` Yan Zhao
2026-09-28 9:10 ` [PATCH v4 09/17] KVM: x86/mmu: Introduce hugepage_set_guest_inhibit() Yan Zhao
2026-10-07 23:57 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-10 6:00 ` Yan Zhao
2026-09-28 9:11 ` [PATCH v4 10/17] KVM: x86/mmu: Add a TDP MMU API to split huge pages for mirror roots Yan Zhao
2026-10-08 0:25 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-09-28 9:11 ` [PATCH v4 11/17] KVM: TDX: Honor the guest's accept level contained in an EPT violation Yan Zhao
2026-10-08 1:05 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-09 9:33 ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-09 22:00 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-10 5:42 ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-12 16:14 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-09-28 9:11 ` [PATCH v4 12/17] KVM: x86/mmu: Add support for splitting S-EPT entry under non-vCPU context Yan Zhao
2026-09-28 9:11 ` [PATCH v4 13/17] [GMEM-DEPENDENT] KVM: guest_memfd: Add helpers to get start/end gfns give gmem+slot+pgoff Yan Zhao
2026-10-08 23:16 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-09-28 9:11 ` [PATCH v4 14/17] [GMEM-DEPENDENT] KVM: guest_memfd: Split kvm_gmem_invalidate_start() to start() and zap() Yan Zhao
2026-09-28 9:12 ` [PATCH v4 15/17] [GMEM-DEPENDENT] KVM: guest_memfd: Add a pre-zap hook .gmem_prezap() Yan Zhao
2026-10-14 7:01 ` Yan Zhao
2026-09-28 9:12 ` [PATCH v4 16/17] [GMEM-DEPENDENT] KVM: TDX: Implement .gmem_prezap() hook to split S-EPT Yan Zhao
2026-09-28 9:12 ` [PATCH v4 17/17] KVM: TDX: Turn on PG_LEVEL_2M Yan Zhao
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