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From: Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>
To: "Edgecombe, Rick P" <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 01/17] x86/virt/tdx: Enhance tdx_pamt_get/put() to support huge pages
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2026 17:21:08 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <atnVhGt7LKTKLurI@yzhao56-desk.sh.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ca949948073ba2079db578b7a27108db6991dc1a.camel@intel.com>

On Thu, Oct 22, 2026 at 05:28:32AM +0800, Edgecombe, Rick P wrote:
> On Mon, 2026-10-19 at 14:35 +0800, Yan Zhao wrote:
> > > Then the contract is simply:
> > > 
> > >     There are only two possible mapping levels: 2MB and 4KB. There is a
> > > refcount
> > >     for each 2MB aligned range. The mapping level will be 4KB when there is
> > > any
> > >     refcount for 2MB aligned range.
> > >     
> > >     tdx_pamt_get() increments the refcount
> > >     tdx_pamt_put() decrements the refcount
> > I think refcounts should not appear in the contract. What is meaningful to KVM
> > is not the refcount adjustment, but preparing and unpreparing PAMT pages for
> > the physical page KVM wants to install/uninstall.
> 
> Well get and put are already refcount associated terms...
> 
> > 
> > Whenever KVM invokes tdx_pamt_get(), it wants to ensure DPAMT pages are
> > installed before installing a physical page; when KVM invokes tdx_pamt_put(),
> > it wants to ensure DPAMT pages can be torn down correctly after uninstalling a
> > physical page. So, perhaps a more accurate naming for
> > tdx_pamt_get()/tdx_pamt_put() would be
> > tdx_pamt_prepare()/tdx_pamt_unprepare()?
> 
> I don't see a reason to change the just settled pattern. It went through many
> rounds of reviews and no one ever objected to the get/put pattern. AFAICT the
> only scenario where it doesn't fit for huge pages if it is changed to accept
> args for other levels. But as before there is nothing to do for those other
> levels. And the callers already know this because they have to top up the cache
> appropriately. So there is no benefit that I can see. And following from that...
> no need to rename the functions already.
> 
> > 
> > The refcounts are internal implementation details of tdx_pamt_{get/put}() and
> > are hidden from KVM. It is tdx_pamt_{get/put}() that decides to use per-2MB
> > refcounts to track the invocation count, and ensures that PAMT pages are
> > (un)installed only once for each 2MB range.
> > 
> > The contract is therefore simple for KVM:
> > whenever KVM installs/uninstalls a physical page, invoke tdx_pamt_{get/put}()
> > and specify the physical range by providing the level.
> > 
> > >     tdh_mem_page_demote() increments the refcount for each 4KB page
> > Since tdh_mem_page_demote() only splits the mapping level of an already
> > installed physical page (without removing any physical page), KVM does not
> > need
> > to invoke tdx_pamt_{get/put}() for the guest private page. As refcounts are
> > hidden from KVM, KVM is unaware of the underlying refcount adjustment for the
> > split huge page.
> > 
> > On the other hand, since tdh_mem_page_demote() will install a new page table
> > page, KVM needs to invoke tdx_pamt_get() at level 4KB to prepare for the new
> > page table page (which is 4KB) before invoking tdh_mem_page_demote().
> > 
> > >     The mapping level will be determined by the refcount after each
> > > operation is
> > >     complete.
> > > 
> > > If you want to pass the level, somehow it has to be clear how the refcount
> > > and
> > > mapping level will be adjusted for each combination of operations.
> > When a level is passed to tdx_pamt_{get/put}(), it indicates that KVM wants to
> > prepare/unprepare PAMT pages for a physical page at the specified level.
> 
> As already discussed, there is only one level where we would need to do
> anything.
Hmm. Ok. Let's drop this patch then and have KVM check the level instead, as in
the v3 implementation:
https://lore.kernel.org/all/20260106102304.25211-1-yan.y.zhao@intel.com 

  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-22  9:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-28  9:07 [PATCH v4 00/17] KVM: TDX huge page support for private memory Yan Zhao
2026-09-28  9:08 ` [PATCH v4 01/17] x86/virt/tdx: Enhance tdx_pamt_get/put() to support huge pages Yan Zhao
2026-10-01 23:02   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-10 10:18     ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-12 23:18       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-15  3:41         ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-15 18:11           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-19  6:35             ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-21 21:28               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-22  9:21                 ` Yan Zhao [this message]
2026-09-28  9:08 ` [PATCH v4 02/17] x86/virt/tdx: Add a SEAMCALL wrapper to demote a 2MB huge page Yan Zhao
2026-10-02  0:54   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-12  9:31     ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-12 22:16       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-14  9:40         ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-14 18:32           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-15  6:11             ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-15  9:28               ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-15  9:49                 ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-15 18:30                   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-19 11:04                     ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-21 22:02                       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-22  8:46                         ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-22 15:51                           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-09-28  9:08 ` [PATCH v4 03/17] KVM: TDX: Reset private huge pages after S-EPT page removal Yan Zhao
2026-10-07  0:06   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-10  9:22     ` Yan Zhao
2026-09-28  9:09 ` [PATCH v4 04/17] KVM: x86/mmu: Prevent huge page promotion for mirror roots in fault path Yan Zhao
2026-10-07  0:32   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-09-28  9:09 ` [PATCH v4 05/17] KVM: x86/tdp_mmu: Alloc external_spt page for mirror page table splitting Yan Zhao
2026-10-07  0:33   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-10  7:41     ` Yan Zhao
2026-09-28  9:10 ` [PATCH v4 06/17] KVM: x86/mmu: Allocate DPAMT pages for vCPU-induced page split Yan Zhao
2026-10-07 15:45   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-10  6:37     ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-10  6:40       ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-12 16:41       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-09-28  9:10 ` [PATCH v4 07/17] KVM: TDX: Add core support for splitting/demoting 2MB S-EPT mappings to 4KB Yan Zhao
2026-10-07 21:52   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-10  6:34     ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-12 16:40       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-14  5:39         ` Yan Zhao
2026-09-28  9:10 ` [PATCH v4 08/17] KVM: TDX: Adjust the topup count of DPAMT page pairs for splitting S-EPT Yan Zhao
2026-10-07 22:48   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-08  1:16     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-09  9:08       ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-09 22:12         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-10  5:13           ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-12 16:36             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-14  5:36               ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-14 18:34                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-15  4:47                   ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-15 17:21                     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-19  1:59                       ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-21 22:28                         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-22  7:24                           ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-22 15:56                             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-09  8:39     ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-09 22:11       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-10  5:18         ` Yan Zhao
2026-09-28  9:10 ` [PATCH v4 09/17] KVM: x86/mmu: Introduce hugepage_set_guest_inhibit() Yan Zhao
2026-10-07 23:57   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-10  6:00     ` Yan Zhao
2026-09-28  9:11 ` [PATCH v4 10/17] KVM: x86/mmu: Add a TDP MMU API to split huge pages for mirror roots Yan Zhao
2026-10-08  0:25   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-09-28  9:11 ` [PATCH v4 11/17] KVM: TDX: Honor the guest's accept level contained in an EPT violation Yan Zhao
2026-10-08  1:05   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-09  9:33     ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-09 22:00       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-10  5:42         ` Yan Zhao
2026-10-12 16:14           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-09-28  9:11 ` [PATCH v4 12/17] KVM: x86/mmu: Add support for splitting S-EPT entry under non-vCPU context Yan Zhao
2026-09-28  9:11 ` [PATCH v4 13/17] [GMEM-DEPENDENT] KVM: guest_memfd: Add helpers to get start/end gfns give gmem+slot+pgoff Yan Zhao
2026-10-08 23:16   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-09-28  9:11 ` [PATCH v4 14/17] [GMEM-DEPENDENT] KVM: guest_memfd: Split kvm_gmem_invalidate_start() to start() and zap() Yan Zhao
2026-09-28  9:12 ` [PATCH v4 15/17] [GMEM-DEPENDENT] KVM: guest_memfd: Add a pre-zap hook .gmem_prezap() Yan Zhao
2026-10-14  7:01   ` Yan Zhao
2026-09-28  9:12 ` [PATCH v4 16/17] [GMEM-DEPENDENT] KVM: TDX: Implement .gmem_prezap() hook to split S-EPT Yan Zhao
2026-09-28  9:12 ` [PATCH v4 17/17] KVM: TDX: Turn on PG_LEVEL_2M Yan Zhao

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