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From: Keith Busch <kbusch@kernel.org>
To: Erwan Velu <erwanaliasr1@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org, axboe@kernel.dk, hch@lst.de,
	sagi@grimberg.me, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Erwan Velu <e.velu@criteo.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] nvme: honor the volatile write cache enable state
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2026 11:27:07 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <atJeazM_rJ0uj3vt@kbusch-mbp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAL2Jzuz1qFwLSA=iivp5qLCTL6-4rvKmvFzJbOQzjPu6j_7Y2A@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 16, 2026 at 07:15:20PM +0200, Erwan Velu wrote:
> Le ven. 16 oct. 2026 à 18:57, Keith Busch <kbusch@kernel.org> a écrit :
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 16, 2026 at 04:12:08PM +0200, Erwan Velu wrote:
> > >   job                   | cache   |   IOPS | fsync avg | flushes |  gain
> > >   ----------------------+---------+--------+-----------+---------+------
> > >   psync buffered, QD1   | back    |   3885 |   247.6us |  116552 |
> > >                         | through |  48325 |    15.7us |       0 | x12.4
> > >   ----------------------+---------+--------+-----------+---------+------
> > >   io_uring direct, QD1  | back    |   3886 |   238.2us |  116593 |
> > >                         | through |  41924 |     5.7us |       0 | x10.8
> > >   ----------------------+---------+--------+-----------+---------+------
> > >   io_uring direct, QD32 | back    |   5088 |  6173.5us |  117793 |
> > >                         | through | 140196 |   107.0us |       0 | x27.6
> > >
> > > From NVMe 1.4c (sections 5.21.1.6 and 6.8) up to the NVMe Base
> > > Specification 2.4 (sections 5.2.30.1.4 and 7.2), a Flush command has no
> > > effect if the volatile write cache is not enabled.
> >
> > Yeah, the NVMe Flush operation should be a no-op in the device, so the
> > dramatic performance difference is a bit alarming. Surely the block
> > stack's flush machinery is not the reason for the difference, right?
> >
> > If the device's flush handling is this bad when VWC is disabled, what
> > happens when you have it enabled? Can you re-run the same test with that
> > setting?
> >
> > I'm not necessarily against what you're proposing here, but your numbers
> > are unexpected.
> 
> Maybe my table here isn't probably clear enough.
> The numbers shown in the  "write back" mode were done with VWC enabled.

But you said the table came from tests "with WCE cleared" in the VWC
feature. ?

  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-16 17:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-16 14:12 Erwan Velu
2026-10-16 16:57 ` Keith Busch
2026-10-16 17:15   ` Erwan Velu
2026-10-16 17:27     ` Keith Busch [this message]
2026-10-16 17:43       ` Erwan Velu
2026-10-16 17:55         ` Keith Busch

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