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From: Andrea Righi <arighi@nvidia.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, David Vernet <void@manifault.com>,
	Changwoo Min <changwoo@igalia.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	Vladimir Vdovin <deliran@verdict.gg>,
	Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>,
	David Dai <david.dai@linux.dev>, Emil Tsalapatis <etsal@meta.com>,
	Christian Loehle <christian.loehle@arm.com>,
	Balbir Singh <balbirs@nvidia.com>,
	Lee Trager <ltrager@nvidia.com>,
	sched-ext@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/6] sched_ext: Add a kfunc to read a task's preferred NUMA node
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2026 12:21:01 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <auCJHU4_ugxayy7i@gpd4> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261027105056.GE2668564@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Tue, Oct 27, 2026 at 11:50:56AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2026 at 07:57:36AM +0100, Andrea Righi wrote:
> > Hi Prateek,
> > 
> > On Tue, Oct 27, 2026 at 11:42:22AM +0530, K Prateek Nayak wrote:
> > > Hello Andrea,
> > > 
> > > On 10/27/2026 9:43 AM, Andrea Righi wrote:
> > > > +__bpf_kfunc s32 scx_bpf_task_numa_nid(const struct task_struct *p)
> > > > +{
> > > > +#ifdef CONFIG_NUMA_BALANCING
> > > > +	if (task_on_scx(p)) {
> > > > +		struct scx_sched *sch;
> > > > +
> > > > +		guard(rcu)();
> > > > +		sch = scx_task_sched_rcu(p);
> > > > +		if (!sch || !SCX_HAS_OP(sch, set_numa_node))
> > > > +			return NUMA_NO_NODE;
> > > > +	}
> > > > +
> > > > +	return READ_ONCE(p->numa_preferred_nid);
> > > 
> > > Would the ext scheduler need the raw numa_preferred_nid when
> > > sched_numa_balancing is disabled?
> > > 
> > > It may just be pointing to some stale value if NUMA balancing
> > > was disabled at runtime right?
> > 
> > Right, if NUMA balancing is disabled at runtime the value stays at the
> > last preference.
> > 
> > This is consistent with fair: disabling NUMA balancing at runtime only
> > flips the sched_numa_balancing static key, p->numa_preferred_nid is
> > never reset, fair stops acting on it in most places (e.g.,
> > migrate_degrades_locality()), but not everywhere, find_idlest_group()
> > still uses it in the slow wakeup path. So a BPF scheduler sees the same
> > value that fair keeps and can decide whether to use it or not.
> > 
> > A more accurate approach could be to notify the sched classes when
> > sched_numa_balancing changes (e.g., resetting the preferred node of all
> > tasks when it's disabled and recomputing it when it's re-enabled), but
> > that would be a significant rework, involving fair as well, and it's
> > outside the scope of this series. I'd rather start by making ext
> > consistent with fair, and then rework both in a more accurate and
> > complete way as a follow-up, if we want.
> 
> But should we not cleanup first and then add shiny on top?

Fair enough. Looking more closely, I think there're only two places in
fair that still use p->numa_preferred_nid when NUMA balancing is
disabled at runtime: find_idlest_group() and the fbq classification in
the load balancer (via rq->nr_numa_running / nr_preferred_running).
Everything else is already gated by sched_numa_balancing.

Assuming I'm not missing anything, we can probably add a preparatory
patch that gates those two on sched_numa_balancing as well, then make
scx_bpf_task_numa_nid() return NUMA_NO_NODE when NUMA balancing is
disabled. In this way the stale value is never used.

Thanks,
-Andrea

  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-27 11:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-27  4:13 [PATCHSET v2 sched_ext/for-7.5] sched_ext: Add NUMA balancing support Andrea Righi
2026-10-27  4:13 ` [PATCH 1/6] sched/numa: Let other scheduling classes drive NUMA scanning Andrea Righi
2026-10-27  4:13 ` [PATCH 2/6] sched/numa: Leave the placement of a BPF-scheduled task to its scheduler Andrea Righi
2026-10-27  5:45   ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-10-27  6:43     ` Andrea Righi
2026-10-27  9:00       ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-10-27  9:30         ` Andrea Righi
2026-10-27 10:43   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-10-27 11:09     ` Andrea Righi
2026-10-27 11:52       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-10-27  4:13 ` [PATCH 3/6] sched/numa: Notify the scheduling class of preferred node changes Andrea Righi
2026-10-27  5:30   ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-10-27  6:34     ` Andrea Righi
2026-10-27  8:02       ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-10-27  4:13 ` [PATCH 4/6] sched_ext: Report preferred NUMA nodes through ops.set_numa_node() Andrea Righi
2026-10-27 10:49   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-10-27 11:14     ` Andrea Righi
2026-10-27  4:13 ` [PATCH 5/6] sched_ext: Add a kfunc to read a task's preferred NUMA node Andrea Righi
2026-10-27  6:12   ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-10-27  6:57     ` Andrea Righi
2026-10-27 10:50       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-10-27 11:21         ` Andrea Righi [this message]
2026-10-27 11:54           ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-10-27  4:13 ` [PATCH 6/6] selftests/sched_ext: Test preferred NUMA node notifications Andrea Righi
2026-10-27 10:52 ` [PATCHSET v2 sched_ext/for-7.5] sched_ext: Add NUMA balancing support Peter Zijlstra
2026-10-27 11:38   ` Andrea Righi
2026-10-27 11:55     ` Peter Zijlstra

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