From: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
To: Stian Halseth <stian@itx.no>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Paul Menzel <pmenzel@molgen.mpg.de>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>,
Anna-Maria Behnsen <anna-maria@linutronix.de>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Shrikanth Hegde <sshegde@linux.ibm.com>,
regressions@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sched/cputime: Don't warn when the tick period starts after idle exit
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2026 15:14:14 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <auIDNl9EUX4CzWzr@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bd9b6592bce4b8f2e802518bf2cad561af61e78e.camel@itx.no>
Le Tue, Oct 27, 2026 at 08:05:49PM +0100, Stian Halseth a écrit :
> Hi Frederic,
>
> On Tue, 2026-10-27 at 18:06 +0100, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
>
> > Ok let me try to picture this:
> >
> > Initially, jiffies or tsc-early, not sure, is the clocksource:
> >
> > - tick_setup_device() sets tick_next_period to ktime_get()
> > - tick_periodic() adds TICK_NSEC to tick_next_period right before updating
> > jiffies. So as you said tick_next_period == ktime_get()
> > - Note last_tick is not involved in that mode
> >
> > Then later on boot comes a oneshot device:
>
> The clocksource is initially jiffies, and I believe there is a step missing
> before the oneshot switch: the clocksource switch, while the tick is still
> periodic.
>
> Please let me know where I lose you
If I knew where I was, I wouldn't be lost. But don't worry I was already
"there" way before you arrived :-)
> or if/when you disagree with
> my analysis. Not sure if you're more confused about my attempt of an
> explanation, or by what's really happening ;)
>
> Here we go...
>
> The oneshot switch can only happen inside a tick, so at the earliest
> in the first tick after the clocksource switch. In the guest it came
> 0.7s later since tsc-early waits for the watchdog in the guest.
>
> So...for a while tick_periodic() runs on tsc-early. ktime now moves
> between ticks too, but the next tick still adds a full TICK_NSEC, so
> tick_next_period gets ahead of ktime_get() by the part of the period
> that had passed at the switch. Still here? :)
So let me depict that:
// clocksource = jiffies ?
// clockevent = lapic ?
tick_setup_device()
tick_next_period = ktime_get() // jiffies_to_nsecs(jiffies)
tick_periodic()
tick_next_period += TICK_NSECS
jiffies++ // ktime_get() == tick_next_period
// jiffies > tsc_early
clocksource_select()
tick_periodic()
//one tick has passed, so ktime_get() == jiffies + 1
tick_next_period += TICK_NSECS
jiffies++ // ktime_get() == tick_next_period == jiffies
No?
Thanks.
--
Frederic Weisbecker
SUSE Labs
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-10-28 14:14 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-10-07 14:29 [PATCH v3] sched/cputime: Don't account idle time twice after dyntick-idle Stian Halseth
2026-10-14 12:17 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-10-16 8:01 ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Stian Halseth
2026-10-25 7:27 ` WARNING: kernel/sched/cputime.c:481 at kcpustat_dyntick_stop+0x8b/0xa0, CPU#0: swapper/0/0 (was: [PATCH v3] sched/cputime: Don't account idle time twice after dyntick-idle) Paul Menzel
2026-10-25 8:13 ` Stian Halseth
2026-10-25 10:02 ` [PATCH] sched/cputime: Don't warn when the tick period starts after idle exit Stian Halseth
2026-10-26 16:42 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-10-26 17:28 ` Stian Halseth
2026-10-27 17:06 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-10-27 19:05 ` Stian Halseth
2026-10-28 14:14 ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2026-10-28 17:37 ` Stian Halseth
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