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From: Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>
To: Pranith Kumar <bobby.prani@gmail.com>
Cc: "Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" <ljs@kernel.org>,
	 "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 "Liam R. Howlett" <liam@infradead.org>,
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	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
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	Harry Yoo <harry@kernel.org>,  Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>,
	 Richard Cochran <richardcochran@gmail.com>,
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	SUPPORT:Keyword:(?:b|_)ptp(?:b|_)" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] mm/rmap: use release ordering for small-folio mapcount removal
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2026 17:08:10 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <autkT1eNM7-oSM4F@pedro-suse.tail5790ac.ts.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJhHMCChBTH3QWBFS1Hp17zj5HepN6KFucvG_5tVdpaB4fjCYg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 04, 2026 at 08:51:20AM -0800, Pranith Kumar wrote:
> Hi Lorenzo,
> 
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2026 at 5:55 AM Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) <ljs@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 04, 2026 at 02:37:39PM +0100, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
> >
> > I mean 1.54%, theoretically is even less convincing for me :)
> 
> With reducing the strength of one barrier, I think this is a non-trivial gain.

Counting cycles on an arm64 simulator for a microbenchmark is completely
unconvincing.

> >
> > In any case for something touching a sensitive memory barrier operation to have
> > a stronger argument put forward for release ordering being suitable than simply
> > stating it's fine in the commit message and updating a comment.
> >
> 
> Can you please explain what information is missing? I think the commit
> message has all the details of why release is sufficient instead of
> full barrier.
 
rmap is gnarly code and I'm not sure people have an appetite towards weakening
random atomic ordering semantics for a virtual 1.54% cycles gain in some
microbenchmark, without actually explaining why it is safe. __folio_remove_rmap()
has (indirectly) a lot of callers which may subtly expect different semantics.

-- 
Pedro

  reply	other threads:[~2026-11-04 17:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-11-04  1:31 Pranith Kumar
2026-11-04  9:16 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-11-04  9:46   ` Pranith Kumar
2026-11-04 13:37     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-11-04 13:55       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-11-04 16:51         ` Pranith Kumar
2026-11-04 17:08           ` Pedro Falcato [this message]
2026-11-04 17:15             ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)

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