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From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: Brendan Jackman <jackmanb@google.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>, Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
	Axel Rasmussen <axelrasmussen@google.com>,
	Yuanchu Xie <yuanchu@google.com>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 04/21] x86/mm/asi: set up asi_nonsensitive_pgd
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2025 13:28:14 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b0fb40f6-8baa-498f-bb88-50113cb80f53@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250924-b4-asi-page-alloc-v1-4-2d861768041f@google.com>

On 9/24/25 07:59, Brendan Jackman wrote:
> Create the initial shared pagetable to hold all the mappings that will
> be shared among ASI domains.
> 
> Mirror the physmap into the ASI pagetables, but with a maximum
> granularity that's guaranteed to allow changing pageblock sensitivity
> without having to allocate pagetables, and with everything as
> non-present.

Could you also talk about what this granularity _actually_ is and why it
has the property of never requiring page table alloc

...
> diff --git a/arch/x86/mm/init_64.c b/arch/x86/mm/init_64.c
> index e98e85cf15f42db669696ba8195d8fc633351b26..7e0471d46767c63ceade479ae0d1bf738f14904a 100644
> --- a/arch/x86/mm/init_64.c
> +++ b/arch/x86/mm/init_64.c
> @@ -7,6 +7,7 @@
>   *  Copyright (C) 2002,2003 Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
>   */
>  
> +#include <linux/asi.h>
>  #include <linux/signal.h>
>  #include <linux/sched.h>
>  #include <linux/kernel.h>
> @@ -746,7 +747,8 @@ phys_pgd_init(pgd_t *pgd_page, unsigned long paddr_start, unsigned long paddr_en
>  {
>  	unsigned long vaddr, vaddr_start, vaddr_end, vaddr_next, paddr_last;
>  
> -	*pgd_changed = false;
> +	if (pgd_changed)
> +		*pgd_changed = false;

This 'pgd_changed' hunk isn't mentioned in the changelog.

...
> @@ -797,6 +800,24 @@ __kernel_physical_mapping_init(unsigned long paddr_start,
>  
>  	paddr_last = phys_pgd_init(init_mm.pgd, paddr_start, paddr_end, page_size_mask,
>  				   prot, init, &pgd_changed);
> +
> +	/*
> +	 * Set up ASI's unrestricted physmap. This needs to mapped at minimum 2M
> +	 * size so that regions can be mapped and unmapped at pageblock
> +	 * granularity without requiring allocations.
> +	 */

This took me a minute to wrap my head around.

Here, I think you're trying to convey that:

  1. There's a higher-level design decision that all sensitivity will be
     done at a 2M granularity. A 2MB physical region is either sensitive
     or not.
  2. Because of #1, 1GB mappings are not cool because splitting a 1GB
     mapping into 2MB needs to allocate a page table page.
  3. 4k mappings are OK because they can also have their permissions
     changed at a 2MB granularity. It's just more laborious.

The "minimum 2M size" comment really threw me off because that, to me,
also includes 1G which is a no-no here.

I also can't help but wonder if it would have been easier and more
straightforward to just start this whole exercise at 4k: force all the
ASI tables to be 4k. Then, later, add the 2MB support and tie to
pageblocks on after.


> +	if (asi_nonsensitive_pgd) {
> +		/*
> +		 * Since most memory is expected to end up sensitive, start with
> +		 * everything unmapped in this pagetable.
> +		 */
> +		pgprot_t prot_np = __pgprot(pgprot_val(prot) & ~_PAGE_PRESENT);
> +
> +		VM_BUG_ON((PAGE_SHIFT + pageblock_order) < page_level_shift(PG_LEVEL_2M));
> +		phys_pgd_init(asi_nonsensitive_pgd, paddr_start, paddr_end, 1 << PG_LEVEL_2M,
> +			      prot_np, init, NULL);
> +	}

I'm also kinda wondering what the purpose is of having a whole page
table full of !_PAGE_PRESENT entries. It would be nice to know how this
eventually gets turned into something useful.



  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-01 20:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-24 14:59 [PATCH 00/21] mm: ASI direct map management Brendan Jackman
2025-09-24 14:59 ` [PATCH 01/21] x86/mm/asi: Add CONFIG_MITIGATION_ADDRESS_SPACE_ISOLATION Brendan Jackman
2025-10-24 22:37   ` Borislav Petkov
2025-10-24 23:32     ` Brendan Jackman
2025-10-25  9:57       ` Borislav Petkov
2025-09-24 14:59 ` [PATCH 02/21] x86/mm/asi: add X86_FEATURE_ASI and asi= Brendan Jackman
2025-10-25 10:06   ` Borislav Petkov
2025-10-26 22:24     ` Brendan Jackman
2025-11-10 11:26       ` Borislav Petkov
2025-11-10 12:15         ` Brendan Jackman
2025-09-24 14:59 ` [PATCH 03/21] x86/mm: factor out phys_pgd_init() Brendan Jackman
2025-09-27 19:29   ` kernel test robot
2025-10-01 12:26     ` Brendan Jackman
2025-10-25 11:48   ` Borislav Petkov
2025-10-26 22:29     ` Brendan Jackman
2025-11-10 11:38       ` Borislav Petkov
2025-11-10 12:36         ` Brendan Jackman
2025-09-24 14:59 ` [PATCH 04/21] x86/mm/asi: set up asi_nonsensitive_pgd Brendan Jackman
2025-10-01 20:28   ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2025-10-02 14:05     ` Brendan Jackman
2025-10-02 16:14       ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-02 17:19         ` Brendan Jackman
2025-11-12 19:39           ` Dave Hansen
2025-11-11 14:55   ` Borislav Petkov
2025-11-11 17:53     ` Brendan Jackman
2025-09-24 14:59 ` [PATCH 05/21] x86/mm/pat: mirror direct map changes to ASI Brendan Jackman
2025-09-25 13:36   ` kernel test robot
2025-10-01 20:50   ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-02 14:31     ` Brendan Jackman
2025-10-02 16:40       ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-02 17:08         ` Brendan Jackman
2026-01-20 16:37           ` Borislav Petkov
2026-01-21  9:45             ` Brendan Jackman
2026-01-21 11:27               ` Borislav Petkov
2026-01-21 11:49                 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-01-21 12:03                   ` Borislav Petkov
2025-09-24 14:59 ` [PATCH 06/21] mm/page_alloc: add __GFP_SENSITIVE and always set it Brendan Jackman
2025-10-01 21:18   ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-02 14:34     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-01-28 15:38       ` Borislav Petkov
2026-01-28 15:57         ` Brendan Jackman
2026-01-28 16:29           ` Borislav Petkov
2025-09-24 14:59 ` [PATCH 07/21] mm: introduce for_each_free_list() Brendan Jackman
2025-09-24 14:59 ` [PATCH 08/21] mm: rejig pageblock mask definitions Brendan Jackman
2025-09-24 14:59 ` [PATCH 09/21] mm/page_alloc: Invert is_check_pages_enabled() check Brendan Jackman
2025-09-24 14:59 ` [PATCH 10/21] mm/page_alloc: remove ifdefs from pindex helpers Brendan Jackman
2025-09-24 14:59 ` [PATCH 11/21] mm: introduce freetype_t Brendan Jackman
2025-09-25 13:15   ` kernel test robot
2025-10-01 21:20   ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-02 14:39     ` Brendan Jackman
2025-09-24 14:59 ` [PATCH 12/21] mm/asi: encode sensitivity in freetypes and pageblocks Brendan Jackman
2025-09-24 14:59 ` [PATCH 13/21] mm/page_alloc_test: unit test pindex helpers Brendan Jackman
2025-09-25 13:36   ` kernel test robot
2025-09-24 14:59 ` [PATCH 14/21] x86/mm/pat: introduce cpa_fault option Brendan Jackman
2025-09-24 14:59 ` [PATCH 15/21] mm/page_alloc: rename ALLOC_NON_BLOCK back to _HARDER Brendan Jackman
2025-09-24 14:59 ` [PATCH 16/21] mm/page_alloc: introduce ALLOC_NOBLOCK Brendan Jackman
2025-09-24 14:59 ` [PATCH 17/21] mm/slub: defer application of gfp_allowed_mask Brendan Jackman
2025-09-24 14:59 ` [PATCH 18/21] mm/asi: support changing pageblock sensitivity Brendan Jackman
2025-09-24 14:59 ` [PATCH 19/21] mm/asi: bad_page() when ASI mappings are wrong Brendan Jackman
2025-09-24 14:59 ` [PATCH 20/21] x86/mm/asi: don't use global pages when ASI enabled Brendan Jackman
2025-09-24 14:59 ` [PATCH 21/21] mm: asi_test: smoke test for [non]sensitive page allocs Brendan Jackman
2025-09-25 17:51 ` [PATCH 00/21] mm: ASI direct map management Brendan Jackman
2025-09-30 19:51 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2025-10-01  7:12   ` Brendan Jackman
2025-10-01 19:54 ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-01 20:22   ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-10-01 20:30     ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-02 11:05       ` Brendan Jackman
2025-10-01 20:59 ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-02  7:34   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-02 11:23   ` Brendan Jackman
2025-10-02 17:01     ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-02 19:19       ` Brendan Jackman

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