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From: Doug Ledford <doug.ledford@hpe.com>
To: Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>
Cc: "Jakub Kicinski" <kuba@kernel.org>,
	"Slingshot Open Source Team"
	<slingshot-os-team@groups.ext.hpe.com>,
	"Nathan Chancellor" <nathan@kernel.org>,
	"Nicolas Schier" <nsc@kernel.org>,
	"Richard Cochran" <richardcochran@gmail.com>,
	"Andrew Lunn" <andrew+netdev@lunn.ch>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"Eric Dumazet" <edumazet@kernel.org>,
	"Paolo Abeni" <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	"Sumit Semwal" <sumit.semwal@linaro.org>,
	"Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>,
	"Guenter Roeck" <linux@roeck-us.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org,
	"Sandeep Bhoot" <sandeep.bhoot@hpe.com>,
	"Iraimani P" <iraimani.pavadai@hpe.com>,
	"Mamila Santosh" <santosh-kumar.mamila@hpe.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/23] Subject: [PATCH net-next 00/23] net/hpe: add HPE Slingshot NIC drivers
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2026 19:45:24 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b260f39e-2ac0-4899-90d9-3e9dbadfacc4@hpe.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2f831f13-58ff-40ca-a76f-3aca647012b6@lunn.ch>


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On 11/1/26 5:35 PM, Andrew Lunn wrote:
>> I'll see how fast I can get that done.  But "the bare minimum" is going
>> to be more than you are accustomed to.  This hardware does not receive
>> Ethernet packets using MAC address like normal Ethernet hardware.  It
>> uses a special portal table entry that filters in the Ethernet packets.
>> It has the ability to have different filters that receive different
>> Ethernet packets and so sorts them before the driver ever sees them.
> 
> Can you add a single portal entry which matches everything? Or matches
> a single MAC address? KISS.

That's a complex question, and one which I need to go talk to one of the
hardware engineers about.  It also varies based upon your meaning of
"everything".  If, by everything you means essentially promiscuous mode,
then that's not a good idea.  On the fabric there is Ethernet traffic,
but there is also Slingshot traffic.  They use totally different frame
types.  If you truly go for "everything", you'll get Slingshot traffic
along with Ethernet traffic and you'll be throwing away tons of garbage
and generally wondering what's going on.  If by "everything" you just
mean "all Ethernet traffic on a single portal entry", that's when I have
to go talk to the hardware engineers.  They have different lists they
use for Ethernet and I can't say for certain that the hardware will
allow not using those lists.  For instance, one of the lists might be
specifically for packets that have been fragmented and if you don't use
that list for those packets it may not receive them at all.  That's when
I have to go verify things with the hardware engineers.

> You can then add on the complexity of adding MAC addresses to the
> table in later patchsets.

The card has a burned in MAC address.  I wasn't trying to say it
doesn't.  I was pointing out that how the hardware determines what to
receive is not by just putting recv buffers on a queue and turning on
receive mode and letting your MAC address pull them in.  It's more
complex due to the portals table entries.

I did have the AI do a full analysis of what you requested.  A bare
minimal driver.  It passed this back (just giving the summary, not the
full report):

Estimated total for a C2-only, PF-only Ethernet series:

ss1 about 19–20k
SL about 15–20k
headers about 15–20k
That gives roughly 50–60k lines, or about 65k if C1 support stays.

The AI did mention that some of these are estimates and not real
measurements, so take it with a grain of salt.  If you'd like to see the
full report I can provide it.

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  reply	other threads:[~2026-11-02  3:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-30 20:58 Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:58 ` [PATCH 01/23] net: hpe: ss1: add the Cassini headers Doug Ledford
2026-10-31 13:58   ` Andrew Lunn
2026-10-31 19:34     ` Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:58 ` [PATCH 02/23] net: hpe: sbl: add the Slingshot Base Link headers Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:58 ` [PATCH 03/23] net: hpe: sbl: add the core instance and configuration layer Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:59 ` [PATCH 04/23] net: hpe: sbl: add the SerDes layer Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:59 ` [PATCH 05/23] net: hpe: sbl: add the PML link layer Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:59 ` [PATCH 06/23] net: hpe: sbl: add link state management Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:59 ` [PATCH 07/23] net: hpe: sbl: add the SBM serial bus layer Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:59 ` [PATCH 08/23] net: hpe: sbl: add media, FEC and counter support Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:59 ` [PATCH 09/23] net: hpe: sl: add the Slingshot Link headers Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:59 ` [PATCH 10/23] net: hpe: sl: add the module entry points Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:59 ` [PATCH 11/23] net: hpe: sl: add the core link state machines Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:59 ` [PATCH 12/23] net: hpe: sl: add the control layer Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:59 ` [PATCH 13/23] net: hpe: sl: add media and cable handling Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:59 ` [PATCH 14/23] net: hpe: sl: add the sysfs interface Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:59 ` [PATCH 15/23] net: hpe: sl: add the NIC binding and logging helpers Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:59 ` [PATCH 16/23] net: hpe: ss1: add the Cassini core device layer Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:59 ` [PATCH 17/23] net: hpe: ss1: add the datapath and memory translation layers Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:59 ` [PATCH 18/23] net: hpe: ss1: add the link layer glue Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:59 ` [PATCH 19/23] net: hpe: ss1: add SR-IOV support Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:59 ` [PATCH 20/23] net: hpe: ss1: add the CXI core interfaces Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:59 ` [PATCH 21/23] net: hpe: ss1: add resource groups, QoS and services Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:59 ` [PATCH 22/23] net: hpe: ss1: add the Ethernet personality Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:59 ` [PATCH 23/23] net: hpe: wire up the Slingshot NIC drivers Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 22:11 ` [PATCH 00/23] Subject: [PATCH net-next 00/23] net/hpe: add HPE " Jakub Kicinski
2026-10-31 20:17   ` Andrew Lunn
2026-11-02  1:02     ` Doug Ledford
2026-11-02  1:35       ` Andrew Lunn
2026-11-02  3:45         ` Doug Ledford [this message]
2026-11-02 14:26           ` Andrew Lunn
2026-11-02  3:01       ` Guenter Roeck

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