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From: Shuah <shuah@kernel.org>
To: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>, Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>, Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Miguel Ojeda <ojeda@kernel.org>, Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [v2] Documentation: Provide guidelines for tool-generated content
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2025 15:42:51 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c548835c-091b-4714-a0bf-46e50c08f7e6@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251105231514.3167738-1-dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>

On 11/5/25 16:15, Dave Hansen wrote:
> In the last few years, the capabilities of coding tools have exploded.
> As those capabilities have expanded, contributors and maintainers have
> more and more questions about how and when to apply those
> capabilities.
> 
> The shiny new AI tools (chatbots, coding assistants and more) are
> impressive.  Add new Documentation to guide contributors on how to
> best use kernel development tools, new and old.
> 
> Note, though, there are fundamentally no new or unique rules in this
> new document. It clarifies expectations that the kernel community has
> had for many years. For example, researchers are already asked to
> disclose the tools they use to find issues in
> Documentation/process/researcher-guidelines.rst. This new document
> just reiterates existing best practices for development tooling.
> 
> In short: Please show your work and make sure your contribution is
> easy to review.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>
> Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
> Cc: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
> Cc: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
> Cc: Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org>
> Cc: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>
> Cc: Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>
> Cc: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
> Cc: Miguel Ojeda <ojeda@kernel.org>
> Cc: Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>
> 
> --
> 
> This document was a collaborative effort from all the members of
> the TAB. I just reformatted it into .rst and wrote the changelog.
> 
> Changes from v1:
>   * Rename to generated-content.rst and add to documentation index.
>     (Jon)
>   * Rework subject to align with the new filename
>   * Replace commercial names with generic ones. (Jon)
>   * Be consistent about punctuation at the end of bullets for whole
>     sentences. (Miguel)
>   * Formatting sprucing up and minor typos (Miguel)
> ---
>   Documentation/process/generated-content.rst | 94 +++++++++++++++++++++
>   Documentation/process/index.rst             |  1 +
>   2 files changed, 95 insertions(+)
>   create mode 100644 Documentation/process/generated-content.rst
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/process/generated-content.rst b/Documentation/process/generated-content.rst
> new file mode 100644
> index 0000000000000..5e8ff44190932
> --- /dev/null
> +++ b/Documentation/process/generated-content.rst
> @@ -0,0 +1,94 @@
> +============================================
> +Kernel Guidelines for Tool Generated Content
> +============================================
> +
> +Purpose
> +=======
> +
> +Kernel contributors have been using tooling to generate contributions
> +for a long time. These tools are constantly becoming more capable and
> +undoubtedly improve developer productivity. At the same time, reviewer
> +and maintainer bandwidth is a very scarce resource. Understanding
> +which portions of a contribution come from humans versus tools is
> +critical to maintain those resources and keep kernel development
> +healthy.
> +
> +The goal here is to clarify community expectations around tools. This
> +lets everyone become more productive while also maintaining high
> +degrees of trust between submitters and reviewers.
> +
> +Out of Scope
> +============
> +
> +These guidelines do not apply to tools that make trivial tweaks to
> +preexisting content. Nor do they pertain to AI tooling that helps with
> +menial tasks. Some examples:
> +
> + - Spelling and grammar fix ups, like rephrasing to imperative voice
> + - Typing aids like identifier completion, common boilerplate or
> +   trivial pattern completion
> + - Purely mechanical transformations like variable renaming
> + - Reformatting, like running Lindent, ``clang-format`` or
> +   ``rust-fmt``
> +
> +Even if your tool use is out of scope you should still always consider
> +if it would help reviewing your contribution if the reviewer knows
> +about the tool that you used.
> +
> +In Scope
> +========
> +
> +These guidelines apply when a meaningful amount of content in a kernel
> +contribution was not written by a person in the Signed-off-by chain,
> +but was instead created by a tool.
> +
> +Detection of a problem is also a part of the development process; if a

It is good to emphasize testing is also part of development.
How about rephrasing "Detection of a problem and testing the fix for it
is also part of the development process;"

> +tool was used to find a problem addressed by a change, that should be
> +noted in the changelog. This not only gives credit where it is due, it
> +also helps fellow developers find out about these tools.


> +
> +Some examples:
> + - Any tool-suggested fix such as ``checkpatch.pl --fix``
> + - Coccinelle scripts
> + - A chatbot generated a new function in your patch to sort list entries.
> + - A .c file in the patch was originally generated by a LLM but cleaned
> +   up by hand.
> + - The changelog was generated by handing the patch to a generative AI
> +   tool and asking it to write the changelog.
> + - The changelog was translated from another language.
> +
> +If in doubt, choose transparency and assume these guidelines apply to
> +your contribution.
> +
> +Guidelines
> +==========
> +
> +First, read the Developer's Certificate of Origin:
> +Documentation/process/submitting-patches.rst . Its rules are simple
> +and have been in place for a long time. They have covered many
> +tool-generated contributions.
> +
> +Second, when making a contribution, be transparent about the origin of
> +content in cover letters and changelogs. You can be more transparent
> +by adding information like this:
> +
> + - What tools were used?
> + - The input to the tools you used, like the coccinelle source script.
> + - If code was largely generated from a single or short set of
> +   prompts, include those prompts in the commit log. For longer
> +   sessions, include a summary of the prompts and the nature of
> +   resulting assistance.
> + - Which portions of the content were affected by that tool?

Please add:

How is the change tested and tools used to test the fix?

> +
> +As with all contributions, individual maintainers have discretion to
> +choose how they handle the contribution. For example, they might:
> +
> + - Treat it just like any other contribution
> + - Reject it outright
> + - Review the contribution with extra scrutiny
> + - Suggest a better prompt instead of suggesting specific code changes
> + - Ask for some other special steps, like asking the contributor to
> +   elaborate on how the tool or model was trained
> + - Ask the submitter to explain in more detail about the contribution
> +   so that the maintainer can feel comfortable that the submitter fully
> +   understands how the code works.
> diff --git a/Documentation/process/index.rst b/Documentation/process/index.rst
> index aa12f26601949..e1a8a31389f53 100644
> --- a/Documentation/process/index.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/process/index.rst
> @@ -68,6 +68,7 @@ beyond).
>      stable-kernel-rules
>      management-style
>      researcher-guidelines
> +   generated-content
>   
>   Dealing with bugs
>   -----------------
The rest looks good.

Reviewed-by: Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>

thanks,
-- Shuah


  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-06 22:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-05 23:15 Dave Hansen
2025-11-06 22:42 ` Shuah [this message]
2025-11-06 22:49   ` Dave Hansen
2025-11-07  3:40 ` Kees Cook
2025-11-07  8:47 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-11-07 10:58 ` Bagas Sanjaya
2025-11-08  0:11 ` dan.j.williams
2025-11-13 22:17   ` Dave Hansen
2025-11-08  1:52 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-11-13 22:21   ` Dave Hansen
2025-11-10  7:43 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-11-10  8:58   ` Christian Brauner
2025-11-10 16:08     ` Dave Hansen
2025-11-10 17:25     ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-11-10 17:41       ` Dave Hansen
2025-11-10 17:44       ` Linus Torvalds
2025-11-10 17:56         ` Luck, Tony
2025-11-10 18:39         ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-10 19:05           ` Linus Torvalds
2025-11-10 19:18             ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-11-10 19:36               ` Linus Torvalds
2025-11-10 19:54                 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-10 20:00                   ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-11-10 20:25                     ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-10 21:21                   ` James Bottomley
2025-11-10 21:42                     ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-10 21:52                       ` Luck, Tony
2025-11-10 22:07                         ` James Bottomley
2025-11-10 23:16                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-11-11  9:35                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-11 13:08                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-11-10 17:46       ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-10 10:48 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-10 11:15   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-10 15:19   ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-11-10 15:30     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-10 15:44       ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-11-10 16:35   ` Dave Hansen
2025-11-10 16:51     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-10 18:29   ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-11 23:45 ` NeilBrown
2025-11-14  1:09   ` Dave Hansen

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