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From: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
To: Oleksij Rempel <o.rempel@pengutronix.de>
Cc: "Andrew Lunn" <andrew+netdev@lunn.ch>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"Eric Dumazet" <edumazet@google.com>,
	"Jakub Kicinski" <kuba@kernel.org>,
	"Paolo Abeni" <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	"Hubert Wiśniewski" <hubert.wisniewski.25632@gmail.com>,
	"Marek Szyprowski" <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>,
	stable@vger.kernel.org, kernel@pengutronix.de,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	"Lukas Wunner" <lukas@wunner.de>,
	"Russell King" <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	"Xu Yang" <xu.yang_2@nxp.com>,
	linux-usb@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net v1 1/1] net: usb: asix: forbid runtime PM to avoid PM/MDIO + RTNL deadlock
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2025 09:54:01 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c94af0e9-dc67-432e-a853-e41bfa59e863@rowland.harvard.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250917095457.2103318-1-o.rempel@pengutronix.de>

On Wed, Sep 17, 2025 at 11:54:57AM +0200, Oleksij Rempel wrote:
> Forbid USB runtime PM (autosuspend) for AX88772* in bind.
> 
> usbnet enables runtime PM by default in probe, so disabling it via the
> usb_driver flag is ineffective. For AX88772B, autosuspend shows no
> measurable power saving in my tests (no link partner, admin up/down).
> The ~0.453 W -> ~0.248 W reduction on 6.1 comes from phylib powering
> the PHY off on admin-down, not from USB autosuspend.
> 
> With autosuspend active, resume paths may require calling phylink/phylib
> (caller must hold RTNL) and doing MDIO I/O. Taking RTNL from a USB PM
> resume can deadlock (RTNL may already be held), and MDIO can attempt a
> runtime-wake while the USB PM lock is held. Given the lack of benefit
> and poor test coverage (autosuspend is usually disabled by default in
> distros), forbid runtime PM here to avoid these hazards.
> 
> This affects only AX88772* devices (per-interface in bind). System
> sleep/resume is unchanged.

> @@ -919,6 +935,16 @@ static int ax88772_bind(struct usbnet *dev, struct usb_interface *intf)
>  	if (ret)
>  		goto initphy_err;
>  
> +	/* Disable USB runtime PM (autosuspend) for this interface.
> +	 * Rationale:
> +	 * - No measurable power saving from autosuspend for this device.
> +	 * - phylink/phylib calls require caller-held RTNL and do MDIO I/O,
> +	 *   which is unsafe from USB PM resume paths (possible RTNL already
> +	 *   held, USB PM lock held).
> +	 * System suspend/resume is unaffected.
> +	 */
> +	pm_runtime_forbid(&intf->dev);

Are you aware that the action of pm_runtime_forbid() can be reversed by 
the user (by writing "auto" to the .../power/control sysfs file)?

To prevent the user from re-enabling runtime PM, you should call 
pm_runtime_get_noresume() (and then of course pm_runtime_put() or 
equivalent while unbinding).

Alan Stern

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-09-17 13:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-17  9:54 Oleksij Rempel
2025-09-17 10:10 ` Oliver Neukum
2025-09-17 11:52   ` Oleksij Rempel
2025-09-17 12:25     ` Oliver Neukum
2025-09-17 11:26 ` Hubert Wiśniewski
2025-09-17 13:54 ` Alan Stern [this message]
2025-09-17 14:31   ` Hubert Wiśniewski
2025-09-17 14:57     ` Alan Stern
2025-09-17 18:58 ` Lukas Wunner
2025-09-22  7:11   ` Oleksij Rempel

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