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From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
To: Breno Leitao <leitao@debian.org>
Cc: Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>,
	Ilias Apalodimas <ilias.apalodimas@linaro.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 7/9] drivers/base/memory: count inherited poisoned frames into the block
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2026 14:18:03 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <caac2cb9-8faa-49bc-ae8a-47c5fd7b7e58@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aqvHHHuWJ-y4WRJZ@gmail.com>

On 9/17/26 15:01, Breno Leitao wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2026 at 04:51:40PM +0200, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
>> On 9/16/26 11:35, Breno Leitao wrote:
>>>
>>> hmmm, I am not sure I see it that way.
>>>
>>> The loop only runs for a block the bitmap marks. On a machine with nothing
>>> recorded the bitmap is all zeros, the range_contains_poisoned_memory() check
>>> right above it returns false, and the loop never executes.
>>>
>>> What every boot does pay is that check, once per block. The stub installs
>>> the table whether or not anything was ever recorded in it, so this is not a
>>> NULL test: it is two 64-bit divisions by the unit size plus a
>>> find_next_bit() over the single word a 128M block covers at one bit per 2M.
>>>
>>> The real cost (that "for loop above"), comes when you kexec (not on cold
>>> boot -- given the bitmap is empty), and you are trying to init
>>> a memory block that has poisoned pages into it. Which seems the right
>>> trade-off, no?
>>>
>>> That said, can we do better? Yes. The silly win is to let the table say
>>> whether anything was ever recorded in it, something like a
>>> linux_efi_poisoned_memory->empty that the first recorded frame clears,
>>> and return on that before the bitmap is reached at all.
>>>
>>> Is this what you are looking for, or something more drastic?
>>
>> Ah, that magical "range_contains_poisoned_memory" does a bitmap scan?
>>
>> I'm sorry, but that is absolutely confusing.
>>
>> There is no way someone will figure out that range_contains_poisoned_memory()
>> queries some efi specific bitmap that won't even be able to represent any memory
>> outside of it's range.
>>
>> I don't really have time to give a better solution, but starting with the
>> naming, range_contains_poisoned_memory() is just absolutely misleading.
> 
> Fair point, I'll clean up the naming in the next revision.
> 
> I'll also add that ->empty field, which should help locate this bit
> faster and may let us skip the bitmap query entirely on the happy path.
> 
> Anything else you'd like addressed?
> 
> Good to know this moved the needle from "David hates this feature" to
> "David only hates the naming" -- I'll take that as progress.  :-P

;)

I think the crucial part is to find a way to cleanly distinguish our source of
information, and also how the source does only apply to some memory.

Regarding this patch here, I'd assume it's sufficient.

But I do wonder why we are walking pages when we have a bitmap to walk/process
at hand?

-- 
Cheers,

David

  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-18 12:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-15 12:53 [PATCH v5 0/9] mm/memory-failure: keep hardware-poisoned pages out of the next kexec Breno Leitao
2026-09-15 12:53 ` [PATCH v5 1/9] mm/page_alloc: factor out the accept-and-free tail of __free_pages_core() Breno Leitao
2026-09-15 12:57   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-15 12:53 ` [PATCH v5 2/9] mm/memory-failure: efi: add the LINUX_EFI_POISONED_MEMORY configuration table Breno Leitao
2026-09-15 13:05   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-15 12:53 ` [PATCH v5 3/9] mm/memory-failure: libstub: install the poisoned-memory EFI table Breno Leitao
2026-09-15 13:15   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-15 14:00     ` Breno Leitao
2026-09-16 15:39   ` Usama Arif
2026-09-17 10:53     ` Breno Leitao
2026-09-15 12:53 ` [PATCH v5 4/9] mm/memory-failure: efi: adopt the inherited poisoned-memory table Breno Leitao
2026-09-15 13:24   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-15 12:53 ` [PATCH v5 5/9] mm/memory-failure: efi: record hardware-poisoned frames into the " Breno Leitao
2026-09-15 13:36   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-15 14:33     ` Breno Leitao
2026-09-15 12:53 ` [PATCH v5 6/9] mm/memory-failure: efi: answer whether a range is poisoned Breno Leitao
2026-09-15 13:45   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-16  6:44     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-18 15:27       ` Breno Leitao
2026-09-18 15:53         ` Harry Yoo
2026-09-18 20:02           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-15 12:53 ` [PATCH v5 7/9] drivers/base/memory: count inherited poisoned frames into the block Breno Leitao
2026-09-15 13:59   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-16  6:48   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-16  9:35     ` Breno Leitao
2026-09-16 14:51       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-17 13:01         ` Breno Leitao
2026-09-18 12:18           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm) [this message]
2026-09-18 15:22             ` Breno Leitao
2026-09-18 20:16               ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-15 12:53 ` [PATCH v5 8/9] mm/memory-failure: add hwpoison_boot_page() to flag an inherited frame Breno Leitao
2026-09-15 14:11   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-15 12:53 ` [PATCH v5 9/9] mm/memory-failure: keep inherited poisoned frames out of the buddy allocator Breno Leitao
2026-09-15 14:25   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-16  8:32   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)

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