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From: Vasant Hegde <vasant.hegde@amd.com>
To: Pranjal Shrivastava <praan@google.com>
Cc: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>,
	iommu@lists.linux.dev, linux-pci@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	Suravee Suthikulpanit <suravee.suthikulpanit@amd.com>,
	Ankit Soni <ankit.soni@amd.com>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	Samiullah Khawaja <skhawaja@google.com>,
	sashiko-bot@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 2/5] iommu/amd: Fix DTE clearing and rename iommu_ignore_device()
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2026 19:45:01 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cb98a268-c709-4489-981a-07d662a1f4da@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aqK04hq575iwY5BR@google.com>



On 9/10/2026 7:17 PM, Pranjal Shrivastava wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2026 at 05:25:25PM +0530, Vasant Hegde wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 9/4/2026 7:55 PM, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
>>> On Fri, Sep 04, 2026 at 03:43:01PM +0530, Vasant Hegde wrote:
>>>> Jason,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/28/2026 5:23 PM, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2026 at 10:46:48AM +0530, Vasant Hegde wrote:
>>>>>>> Having the driver boot up with all DTEs programmed to identity (eg
>>>>>>> 0'd) and then try to fix them to blocking after the iommu probes
>>>>>>> devices is security backwards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> During boot, it only sets dte.v bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> First it clears it to fully 0, what does 0 do in HW?
>>>>
>>>> IF DTE is fully zero, then all requests are blocked for that devid.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It doesn't make sense that you'd pass over the DTEs after
>>>>> probing if the original 0'd DTE was actually blocking?
>>>>
>>>> During boot, it sets certain default values includ dte.v. It doesn't
>>>> clear everything.
>>>
>>> ?? It starts out with a 0 DTE table? There is no inherited DTE table
>>> except for kdump.
>>>
>>>> May be we should just remove ignore_device() completely? as
>>>>   - normal boot, its not yet configured, so no DMA is allowed
>>>>   - kdump boot, old DTE is still valid and let it continue?
>>>
>>> Yes, that makes alot more sense to me.
>>
>> Ack. @Pranjal, Can you fixup and send v4?
>>
> 
> Ack. I'll remove ignore_device entirely and drop patch 3 for v4.

Thanks.

> 
>>>
>>> But this comment is also wrong:
>>
>> Yeah. One of the cleanup patch missed to update below comment.
>>
>>>
>>>         /*
>>>          * Order is important here to make sure any unity map requirements are
>>>          * fulfilled. The unity mappings are created and written to the device
>>>          * table during the iommu_init_pci() call.
>>>          *
>>>          * After that we call init_device_table_dma() to make sure any
>>>          * uninitialized DTE will block DMA, and in the end we flush the caches
>>>          * of all IOMMUs to make sure the changes to the device table are
>>>          * active.
>>>          */
>>>         for_each_pci_segment(pci_seg)
>>>                 init_device_table_dma(pci_seg);
>>>
>>> The DTE starts out with blocking because it starts out as 0. This
>>> isn't making the DTE blocking, it is doing something else. And it is
>>> very suspicious and racey looking to me.
>>
>> IIRC there were some requirement to keep V bit ON. Otherwise I don't see why we
>> should set and flush the dte here. Let me dig the details.
>>
> 
> Should I also update the comment in this series? (It seems less relevant
> to the ATS stuff)

I'd say lets do that as separate patch. For now lets get this series finalized.

-Vasant


  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-10 14:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-24 12:23 [PATCH v3 0/5] iommu/amd: Refactors for ATS robustness Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-08-24 12:23 ` [PATCH v3 1/5] iommu/amd: Refactor device probe and capability initialization Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-08-24 18:13   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-25 10:24     ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-08-25 11:50       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-25  6:59   ` Vasant Hegde
2026-08-25 10:25     ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-08-24 12:23 ` [PATCH v3 2/5] iommu/amd: Fix DTE clearing and rename iommu_ignore_device() Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-08-24 18:13   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-25 10:32     ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-08-25 11:49       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-25 17:29         ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-08-25 17:53           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-25 19:08             ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-08-26 11:28               ` Vasant Hegde
2026-08-26 12:21                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-28  5:16                   ` Vasant Hegde
2026-08-28 11:53                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-04 10:13                       ` Vasant Hegde
2026-09-04 14:25                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-10 11:55                           ` Vasant Hegde
2026-09-10 13:47                             ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-09-10 14:15                               ` Vasant Hegde [this message]
2026-09-10 14:28                                 ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-08-24 21:47   ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-08-25  7:01   ` Vasant Hegde
2026-08-24 12:23 ` [PATCH v3 3/5] iommu/amd: Split probe error paths to preserve IRQ remapping Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-08-24 18:13   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-25 10:34     ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-08-24 12:23 ` [PATCH v3 4/5] iommu/amd: Fail probe on ATS configuration failure Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-08-24 18:13   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-24 21:46   ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-08-24 12:23 ` [PATCH v3 5/5] PCI/ATS: Mandate checking pci_ats_supported() before pci_prepare_ats() Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-08-24 18:13   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-24 18:13 ` [PATCH v3 0/5] iommu/amd: Refactors for ATS robustness Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-25 10:39   ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-08-25 11:51     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-25  7:06 ` Vasant Hegde
2026-08-25 10:37   ` Pranjal Shrivastava

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