From: Binbin Wu <binbin.wu@linux.intel.com>
To: "Edgecombe, Rick P" <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>,
"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: "Gao, Chao" <chao.gao@intel.com>,
"seanjc@google.com" <seanjc@google.com>,
"dave.hansen@linux.intel.com" <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
"kas@kernel.org" <kas@kernel.org>,
"Li, Xiaoyao" <xiaoyao.li@intel.com>,
"dedekind1@gmail.com" <dedekind1@gmail.com>,
"Maloor, Kishen" <kishen.maloor@intel.com>,
"tony.lindgren@linux.intel.com" <tony.lindgren@linux.intel.com>,
"pbonzini@redhat.com" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
"andrew.cooper3@citrix.com" <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
"nik.borisov@suse.com" <nik.borisov@suse.com>,
"Hunter, Adrian" <adrian.hunter@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 4/5] KVM: TDX: Report only KVM-allowed CPUIDs in KVM_TDX_CAPABILITIES
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2026 10:20:29 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <cdfefb02-acb0-4890-80a6-19036f03ea3e@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b196cf9f65fe1e52aba7b867b7c2687c40caa337.camel@intel.com>
On 10/22/2026 1:19 AM, Edgecombe, Rick P wrote:
> On Wed, 2026-10-21 at 10:15 +0800, Binbin Wu wrote:
>> On 10/21/2026 8:39 AM, Edgecombe, Rick P wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2026-10-16 at 17:14 +0800, Binbin Wu wrote:
>>>> Note, the change is user-visible, as some bits that were previously
>>>> reported as configurable no longer are. The ABI itself is unchanged: KVM
>>>> already filtered unsupported CPUID bits out of KVM_TDX_CAPABILITIES, albeit
>>>> via a denylist, and the set of configurable bits already varies with the
>>>> TDX module and KVM versions.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure what this is saying, the change is user visible but there is no ABI
>>> change? Can't be both... so I think there is an ABI change.
>>
>> My understanding is KVM_TDX_CAPABILITIES reports the capabilities supported by
>> the TDX module *and* KVM, this is not changed before and after this patch series.
>> ABI-wise, I think userspace doesn't care how KVM do the filter, denylist-based or
>> allowlist-based. The ABI requires userspace to consult KVM_TDX_CAPABILITIES, and
>> what KVM_TDX_CAPABILITIES report can be changed. That's why I described the ABI
>> itself didn't change.
>
> My model is that ABI is the user visible behavior of the kernel. So if you are
> running a kernel on a machine, and upgrade the kernel, then the behavior changes
> for your (potentially misguided) userspace. That is still an ABI change.
>
> I think you are thinking about it like a spec - that if the new behavior
> conforms to the spec, it is not an ABI change. I think it's not right.
>
>>
>> How about simply noting that this is a user-visible change and dropping the ABI
>> part to avoid any ambiguity about the scope of the ABI?
>
> Eh, if you want. I'm ok as long as we don't declare there is no ABI change. And
> then the patch ends up breaking userspace with a log saying no ABI change
> because of the docs. It could come off wrong.
>
> We are making a potentially breaking change here that we think won't impact any
> users. It's a sensitive thing.
Rick sent me a link about the discussions on "what ABI is".
https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/alpine.LFD.2.00.0812011210030.3256@nehalem.linux-foundation.org/
I will rephrase it in the next version as following:
Note, this is an ABI change, as some bits that were previously reported as
configurable no longer are. However, the semantics of
KVM_TDX_CAPABILITIES are unchanged: KVM already filtered unsupported bits
out of KVM_TDX_CAPABILITIES, albeit via a denylist, and the set of
reported bits already varies with the TDX module and KVM versions, i.e.
userspace can't assume a fixed set.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-10-22 2:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-10-16 9:14 [PATCH v5 0/5] KVM: TDX: Validate directly configurable CPUID bits Binbin Wu
2026-10-16 9:14 ` [PATCH v5 1/5] KVM: TDX: Check unsupported CPUID bits against the TDX module's subleaf Binbin Wu
2026-10-16 15:25 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-10-16 22:15 ` Binbin Wu
2026-10-16 23:26 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-10-16 9:14 ` [PATCH v5 2/5] KVM: TDX: Track configurable CPUID bits allowed by KVM Binbin Wu
2026-10-23 3:24 ` Chao Gao
2026-10-16 9:14 ` [PATCH v5 3/5] KVM: TDX: Add CORE_CAPABILITIES to the allowlist Binbin Wu
2026-10-23 3:25 ` Chao Gao
2026-10-16 9:14 ` [PATCH v5 4/5] KVM: TDX: Report only KVM-allowed CPUIDs in KVM_TDX_CAPABILITIES Binbin Wu
2026-10-21 0:39 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-21 2:15 ` Binbin Wu
2026-10-21 17:19 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-22 2:20 ` Binbin Wu [this message]
2026-10-23 3:27 ` Chao Gao
2026-10-16 9:14 ` [PATCH v5 5/5] KVM: TDX: Validate userspace CPUID input for KVM_TDX_INIT_VM Binbin Wu
2026-10-23 3:37 ` Chao Gao
2026-10-21 0:59 ` [PATCH v5 0/5] KVM: TDX: Validate directly configurable CPUID bits Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-21 17:43 ` Nikolay Borisov
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