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From: "Edgecombe, Rick P" <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>
To: "Gao, Chao" <chao.gao@intel.com>
Cc: "seanjc@google.com" <seanjc@google.com>,
	"Huang, Kai" <kai.huang@intel.com>,
	"Li, Xiaoyao" <xiaoyao.li@intel.com>,
	"isaku.yamahata@gmail.com" <isaku.yamahata@gmail.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"tony.lindgren@linux.intel.com" <tony.lindgren@linux.intel.com>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"pbonzini@redhat.com" <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 25/25] KVM: x86: Add CPUID bits missing from KVM_GET_SUPPORTED_CPUID
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:17:31 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cf85f4fbf1339ea998fa34e722d2bac9ebced05b.camel@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZryWwC7qxWUGyLnp@chao-email>

On Wed, 2024-08-14 at 19:36 +0800, Chao Gao wrote:
> > I think there are more concerns than just TDX module breaking KVM. (my 2
> > cents
> > would be that it should just be considered a TDX module bug) But KVM should
> > also
> > want to avoid getting boxed into some ABI. For example a a new userspace
> > developed against a new TDX module, but old KVM could start using some new
> > feature that KVM would want to handle differently. As you point out KVM
> > implementation could happen later, at which point userspace could already
> > expect
> > a certain behavior. Then KVM would have to have some other opt in for it's
> > preferred behavior.
> 
> I don't fully understand "getting boxed into some ABI". But filtering out
> unsupported bits could also cause ABI breakage if those bits later become
> supported and are no longer filtered, but userspace may still expect them to
> be
> cleared.

Hmm, any change to the kernel could cause a backwards compatibility issue. But
if KVM doesn't support the bit, I would hope userspace wouldn't have developed
some problematic behavior around it already.

I guess the problem would be if, as is currently implemented in the QEMU
patches, userspace checks for unexpected bits and errors out. This would fail
similarly if the bits were not filtered by KVM and TDX module was updated to a
version with new fixed bits, so it kind of leads you down the road to "fixed
bits are a problem", doesn't it?

> 
> It seems that KVM would have to refuse to work with the TDX module if it
> detects some fixed-1/native bits are unsupported/unknown.

I don't think there is really a way to detect this, without encoding a bunch of
CPUID rules into KVM.

> 
> But if we do that, IIUC, disabling certain features using the "clearcpuid="
> kernel cmdline on the host may cause KVM to be incompatible with the TDX
> module. Anyway, this is probably a minor issue.

True, I would think that would be out of scope for backwards compatibility
though.

  reply	other threads:[~2024-08-14 17:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 191+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-12 22:47 [PATCH 00/25] TDX vCPU/VM creation Rick Edgecombe
2024-08-12 22:47 ` [PATCH 01/25] KVM: TDX: Add placeholders for TDX VM/vCPU structures Rick Edgecombe
2024-09-10 16:00   ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-08-12 22:47 ` [PATCH 02/25] KVM: TDX: Define TDX architectural definitions Rick Edgecombe
2024-08-29 13:25   ` Xiaoyao Li
2024-08-29 19:46     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-08-30  1:29       ` Xiaoyao Li
2024-08-30  4:45         ` Tony Lindgren
2024-09-10 16:21       ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-10 17:49         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-12 22:47 ` [PATCH 03/25] KVM: TDX: Add TDX "architectural" error codes Rick Edgecombe
2024-08-13  6:08   ` Binbin Wu
2024-08-29  5:24     ` Tony Lindgren
2024-08-30  5:52       ` Tony Lindgren
2024-09-10 16:22         ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-11  5:58           ` Tony Lindgren
2024-08-12 22:47 ` [PATCH 04/25] KVM: TDX: Add C wrapper functions for SEAMCALLs to the TDX module Rick Edgecombe
2024-08-12 22:48 ` [PATCH 05/25] KVM: TDX: Add helper functions to print TDX SEAMCALL error Rick Edgecombe
2024-08-13 16:32   ` Isaku Yamahata
2024-08-13 22:34     ` Huang, Kai
2024-08-14  0:31       ` Isaku Yamahata
2024-08-30  5:56         ` Tony Lindgren
2024-08-12 22:48 ` [PATCH 06/25] x86/virt/tdx: Export TDX KeyID information Rick Edgecombe
2024-08-30 18:45   ` Dave Hansen
2024-08-30 19:16     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-08-30 21:18       ` Dave Hansen
2024-09-10 16:26         ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-08-12 22:48 ` [PATCH 07/25] KVM: TDX: Add helper functions to allocate/free TDX private host key id Rick Edgecombe
2024-09-10 16:27   ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-10 16:39     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-09-10 16:42       ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-10 16:43         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-08-12 22:48 ` [PATCH 08/25] KVM: TDX: Add place holder for TDX VM specific mem_enc_op ioctl Rick Edgecombe
2024-08-13  6:25   ` Binbin Wu
2024-08-13 16:37   ` Isaku Yamahata
2024-08-30  6:00     ` Tony Lindgren
2024-08-12 22:48 ` [PATCH 09/25] KVM: TDX: Get system-wide info about TDX module on initialization Rick Edgecombe
2024-08-13  6:47   ` Binbin Wu
2024-08-30  6:59     ` Tony Lindgren
2024-08-14  6:18   ` Binbin Wu
2024-08-21  0:11     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-08-21  6:14       ` Tony Lindgren
2024-08-15  7:59   ` Xu Yilun
2024-08-30  7:21     ` Tony Lindgren
2024-09-02  1:25       ` Xu Yilun
2024-09-02  5:05         ` Tony Lindgren
2024-08-12 22:48 ` [PATCH 10/25] KVM: TDX: Initialize KVM supported capabilities when module setup Rick Edgecombe
2024-08-13  3:25   ` Chao Gao
2024-08-13  5:26     ` Huang, Kai
2024-08-30  8:44       ` Tony Lindgren
2024-08-13  7:24     ` Binbin Wu
2024-08-14  0:26       ` Chao Gao
2024-08-14  2:36         ` Binbin Wu
2024-08-30  8:34     ` Tony Lindgren
2024-09-10 16:58       ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-11 11:07         ` Tony Lindgren
2024-09-03 16:53     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-08-19  1:33   ` Tao Su
2024-08-29 13:28     ` Xiaoyao Li
2024-08-26 11:04   ` Nikolay Borisov
2024-08-29  4:51     ` Tony Lindgren
2024-09-10 17:15       ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-11 11:04         ` Tony Lindgren
2024-10-10  8:25           ` Xiaoyao Li
2024-10-10  9:49             ` Tony Lindgren
2024-09-04 11:58   ` Nikolay Borisov
2024-09-05 13:36     ` Xiaoyao Li
2024-09-12  8:04       ` Nikolay Borisov
2024-09-12  8:37         ` Xiaoyao Li
2024-09-12  8:43           ` Nikolay Borisov
2024-09-12  9:07             ` Xiaoyao Li
2024-09-12 15:12               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-09-12 15:18                 ` Nikolay Borisov
2024-08-12 22:48 ` [PATCH 11/25] KVM: TDX: Report kvm_tdx_caps in KVM_TDX_CAPABILITIES Rick Edgecombe
2024-08-13  3:35   ` Chao Gao
2024-08-19 10:24     ` Nikolay Borisov
2024-08-21  0:06       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-08-12 22:48 ` [PATCH 12/25] KVM: TDX: Allow userspace to configure maximum vCPUs for TDX guests Rick Edgecombe
2024-08-19  1:17   ` Tao Su
2024-08-21  0:12     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-08-30  8:53     ` Tony Lindgren
2024-09-30  2:14   ` Xiaoyao Li
2024-08-12 22:48 ` [PATCH 13/25] KVM: TDX: create/destroy VM structure Rick Edgecombe
2024-08-14  3:08   ` Yuan Yao
2024-08-21  6:13     ` Tony Lindgren
2024-08-16  7:31   ` Xu Yilun
2024-08-30  9:26     ` Tony Lindgren
2024-08-19 15:09   ` Nikolay Borisov
2024-08-21  0:23     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-08-21  5:39       ` Tony Lindgren
2024-08-21 16:52         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-08-30  9:40           ` Tony Lindgren
2024-09-02  9:22     ` Tony Lindgren
2024-08-12 22:48 ` [PATCH 14/25] KVM: TDX: initialize VM with TDX specific parameters Rick Edgecombe
2024-08-19 15:35   ` Nikolay Borisov
2024-08-21  0:01     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-08-29  6:27   ` Yan Zhao
2024-09-02 10:31     ` Tony Lindgren
2024-09-05  6:59       ` Yan Zhao
2024-09-05  9:27         ` Tony Lindgren
2024-09-06  4:05           ` Yan Zhao
2024-09-06  4:32             ` Tony Lindgren
2024-09-06 13:52               ` Wang, Wei W
2024-09-03  2:58   ` Chenyi Qiang
2024-09-03  5:44     ` Tony Lindgren
2024-09-03  8:04       ` Chenyi Qiang
2024-09-05  9:31         ` Tony Lindgren
2024-10-01 20:45           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-10-02 23:39   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-08-12 22:48 ` [PATCH 15/25] KVM: TDX: Make pmu_intel.c ignore guest TD case Rick Edgecombe
2024-09-10 17:23   ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-10-01 10:23     ` Tony Lindgren
2024-08-12 22:48 ` [PATCH 16/25] KVM: TDX: Don't offline the last cpu of one package when there's TDX guest Rick Edgecombe
2024-08-13  8:37   ` Binbin Wu
2024-08-12 22:48 ` [PATCH 17/25] KVM: TDX: create/free TDX vcpu structure Rick Edgecombe
2024-08-13  9:15   ` Binbin Wu
2024-09-02 10:50     ` Tony Lindgren
2024-08-19 16:46   ` Nikolay Borisov
2024-08-29  5:00     ` Tony Lindgren
2024-08-29  6:41   ` Yan Zhao
2024-08-12 22:48 ` [PATCH 18/25] KVM: TDX: Do TDX specific vcpu initialization Rick Edgecombe
2024-08-13  8:00   ` Yuan Yao
2024-08-13 17:21     ` Isaku Yamahata
2024-08-14  1:20       ` Yuan Yao
2024-08-15  0:47         ` Isaku Yamahata
2024-09-03  5:23     ` Tony Lindgren
2024-10-09 15:01     ` Adrian Hunter
2024-10-16 17:42       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-10-18  2:21         ` Xiaoyao Li
2024-10-18 14:20           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-10-21  8:35             ` Xiaoyao Li
2024-10-26  1:12               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-08-28 14:34   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-09-03  5:34     ` Tony Lindgren
2024-08-12 22:48 ` [PATCH 19/25] KVM: X86: Introduce kvm_get_supported_cpuid_internal() Rick Edgecombe
2024-08-12 22:48 ` [PATCH 20/25] KVM: X86: Introduce tdx_get_kvm_supported_cpuid() Rick Edgecombe
2024-08-12 22:48 ` [PATCH 21/25] KVM: x86: Introduce KVM_TDX_GET_CPUID Rick Edgecombe
2024-08-19  2:59   ` Tao Su
2024-09-03  6:21     ` Tony Lindgren
2024-09-10 17:27       ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-08-19  5:02   ` Xu Yilun
2024-09-03  7:19     ` Tony Lindgren
2024-09-10 17:29       ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-11 11:11         ` Tony Lindgren
2024-08-26 14:09   ` Nikolay Borisov
2024-08-26 17:46     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-08-27 12:19       ` Nikolay Borisov
2024-08-27 20:40         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-09-30  6:26   ` Xiaoyao Li
2024-09-30 16:22     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-08-12 22:48 ` [PATCH 22/25] KVM: TDX: Use guest physical address to configure EPT level and GPAW Rick Edgecombe
2024-09-10 17:31   ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-10-10  9:13   ` Xiaoyao Li
2024-10-10 10:36     ` Tony Lindgren
2024-08-12 22:48 ` [PATCH 23/25] KVM: x86/mmu: Taking guest pa into consideration when calculate tdp level Rick Edgecombe
2024-09-10 17:33   ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-08-12 22:48 ` [PATCH 24/25] KVM: x86: Filter directly configurable TDX CPUID bits Rick Edgecombe
2024-08-19  5:02   ` Xu Yilun
2024-09-03  7:51     ` Tony Lindgren
2024-09-10 17:36   ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-08-12 22:48 ` [PATCH 25/25] KVM: x86: Add CPUID bits missing from KVM_GET_SUPPORTED_CPUID Rick Edgecombe
2024-08-13 11:34   ` Chao Gao
2024-08-13 15:14     ` Xiaoyao Li
2024-08-14  0:47       ` Chao Gao
2024-08-14  1:16         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-14 10:46           ` Chao Gao
2024-08-14 13:35             ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-14 17:35               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-08-14 21:22                 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-13 18:45     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-08-14  1:10       ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-14 11:36       ` Chao Gao
2024-08-14 17:17         ` Edgecombe, Rick P [this message]
2024-09-10 17:52   ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-12  7:48     ` Xiaoyao Li
2024-09-12 14:09       ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-12 14:45         ` Xiaoyao Li
2024-09-12 14:48           ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-12 15:26             ` Xiaoyao Li
2024-09-12 16:42             ` Sean Christopherson
2024-09-12 18:29               ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-12 18:41                 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-09-13  3:54                   ` Xiaoyao Li
2024-09-12 18:42                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-09-13  3:57               ` Xiaoyao Li
2024-09-12 15:07         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-09-12 15:37           ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-12 16:38             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-08-15  5:20 ` [PATCH 00/25] TDX vCPU/VM creation Tony Lindgren
2024-08-15 23:46   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-08-16  5:18     ` Tony Lindgren

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