From: Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>
To: Albert Cahalan <albert@users.sourceforge.net>
Cc: Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>,
Albert Cahalan <albert@users.sourceforge.net>,
linux-kernel mailing list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
ankitjain1580@yahoo.com, mingo@elte.hu, rml@tech9.net
Subject: Re: Difference in priority
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:26:46 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <cone.1097630806.503792.12364.502@pc.kolivas.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1097630263.2674.9508.camel@cube>
Albert Cahalan writes:
> On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 20:15, Con Kolivas wrote:
>> Albert Cahalan writes:
>>
>> > Con Kolivas writes:
>> >> Ankit Jain wrote:
>> >
>> >>> if somebody knows the difference b/w /PRI of both
>> >>> these commands because both give different results
>> >>>
>> >>> ps -Al
>> >>> & top
>> >>>
>> >>> as per priority rule we can set priority upto 0-99
>> >>> but top never shows this high priority
>> >>
>> >> Priority values 0-99 are real time ones and 100-139 are normal
>> >> scheduling ones. RT scheduling does not change dynamic priority while
>> >> running wheras normal scheduling does (between 100-139). top shows the
>> >> value of the current dynamic priority in the PRI column as the current
>> >> dynamic priority-100. If you have a real time task in top it shows as a
>> >> -ve value. ps -Al seems to show the current dynamic priority+60.
>> >
>> > What would you like to see? There are numerous
>> > competing ideas of reality. There's also the matter
>> > of history and standards. I'd gladly "fix" ps, if
>> > people could agree on what "fix" would mean.
>> >
>> > Various desirable but conflicting traits include:
>> >
>> > a. for normal idle processes, PRI matches NI
>> > b. for RT processes, PRI matches RT priority
>> > c. for RT processes, PRI is negative of RT priority
>> > d. PRI is the unmodified value seen in /proc
>> > e. PRI is never negative
>> > f. low PRI is low priority (SysV "pri" keyword)
>> > g. low PRI is high priority (UNIX "PRI", SysV "opri")
>> > h. PRI matches some kernel-internal value
>> > i. PRI is in the range -99 to 999 (not too wide)
>>
>> I can't say I've ever felt strongly about it. Wish I knew what was the best
>> way. If we change the range of RT priority range by increasing it from 100
>> to say 1000 then any arbitrary value to subtract will be wrong. How about
>> just leaving the absolute dynamic priority value? Then we don't have any
>> negative values confusing it, it isn't affected by increasing the range of
>> RT priorities, and better priority values still are lower in value.
>
> That's not convincing enough to overcome inertia.
>
> I can't see why the RT priority range would be increased.
> It's overkill already, especially since Linux doesn't have
> priority inheritance. Since POSIX requires 32 levels, that
> is the right number. Actually using more than one level
> (remember: NO priority inheritance) might not be wise.
> If we stuck to 32 levels, RT and non-RT could both fit
> within a 2-digit positive number. Also, there'd be fewer
> bits for the scheduler to examine.
As I said; I don't feel strongly. There was an option to change the range of
real time priorities in 2.4 which is why I mention it. Let others speak
cause I care not what you do as long as we understand it. I'm not changing
the scheduler to suit userspace tools.
Cheers,
Con
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-10-13 1:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-10-12 0:57 Albert Cahalan
2004-10-13 0:15 ` Con Kolivas
2004-10-13 1:17 ` Albert Cahalan
2004-10-13 1:26 ` Con Kolivas [this message]
2004-10-13 4:58 ` Lee Revell
2004-10-13 5:08 ` Randy.Dunlap
2004-10-13 5:39 ` Lee Revell
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-10-11 12:17 Ankit Jain
2004-10-11 12:35 ` Con Kolivas
2004-10-11 12:43 ` Con Kolivas
2004-10-12 9:28 ` Ankit Jain
2004-10-12 10:40 ` Con Kolivas
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