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From: "Dmitry Torokhov" <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>
To: "Peter Zijlstra" <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@elte.hu>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Nick Piggin" <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/6] lockdep: validate rcu_dereference() vs rcu_read_lock()
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:29:09 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d120d5000709191429n29f5dc78g2746de3ee4e9ca81@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070919231943.4b121361@lappy>

On 9/19/07, Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl> wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:41:04 -0400 "Dmitry Torokhov"
> <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > If the IRQ handler does rcu_read_lock(),unlock() and the i8042_stop()
> > > function does sync_rcu() instead of _sched(), it should be good again.
> > > It will not affect anything else than the task that calls _stop(). And
> > > even there the only change is that the sleep might be a tad longer.
> >
> > And the IRQ handler needs to do some extra job... Anyway, it looks -rt
> > breaks synchronize_sched() and needs to have it fixed:
> >
> > "/**
> >  * synchronize_sched - block until all CPUs have exited any non-preemptive
> >  * kernel code sequences.
> >  *
> >  * This means that all preempt_disable code sequences, including NMI and
> >  * hardware-interrupt handlers, in progress on entry will have completed
> >  * before this primitive returns."
>
> That still does as it says in -rt. Its just that the interrupt handler
> will be preemptible so the guarantees it gives are useless.

Please note "... including NMI and hardware-interrupt handlers ..."

>
> > > I find it curious that a driver that is 'low performant' and does not
> > > suffer lock contention pioneers locking schemes. I agree with
> > > optimizing, but this is not the place to push the envelope.
> >
> > Please realize that evey microsecond wasted on a 'low performant'
> > driver is taken from high performers and if we can help it why
> > shouldn't we?
>
> sure, but the cache eviction caused by running the driver will have
> more impact than the added rcu_read_{,un}lock() calls.

Are you saying that adding rcu_read_{,un}lock() will help with cache
eviction? How?

-- 
Dmitry

  reply	other threads:[~2007-09-19 21:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-09-19 10:41 [RFC][PATCH 0/6] using lockdep to validate rcu usage Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-19 10:41 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/6] lockdep: annotate rcu_read_{,un}lock{,_bh} Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-19 23:06   ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-09-19 10:41 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/6] lockdep: validate rcu_dereference() vs rcu_read_lock() Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-19 14:17   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-09-19 14:31     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-19 15:16       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-09-19 15:25         ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-19 15:37         ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-09-19 16:59           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-09-19 17:32             ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-09-19 17:48               ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-09-19 18:49                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-09-19 19:41                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-19 19:49                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-09-19 20:13                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-19 20:41                         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-09-19 21:19                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-19 21:29                             ` Dmitry Torokhov [this message]
2007-09-19 21:47                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-20 17:31                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-09-21  0:01                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-09-21 14:15                                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-09-21 14:30                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-19 20:48                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-09-19 10:41 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/6] lockdep: rcu_dereference() vs preempt_disable() Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-19 10:41 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/6] implicit vs explicit preempt_disable() Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-19 10:41 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/6] fixup funny preemption tricks in irq_exit Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-19 10:41 ` [RFC][PATCH 6/6] fixup early boot Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-19 13:38 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/6] using lockdep to validate rcu usage Ingo Molnar

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