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From: Chuck Lever <cel@kernel.org>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: jiangshanlai@gmail.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] workqueue: Automatic affinity scope fallback for single-pod topologies
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2026 15:14:46 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d32b00cf-afe4-47ac-95e1-1c4321aeb7f2@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aYJILJ8aplatbd2z@slm.duckdns.org>

On 2/3/26 2:10 PM, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On Tue, Feb 03, 2026 at 09:37:44AM -0500, Chuck Lever wrote:
>> On such systems WQ_AFFN_CACHE, WQ_AFFN_SMT, and WQ_AFFN_NUMA scopes all
>> collapse to a single pod.
> 
> WQ_AFFN_SMT should be on CPU core boundaries, right?
> 
>> Add wq_effective_affn_scope() to detect when a selected affinity scope
>> provides only one pod despite having multiple CPUs, and automatically
>> fall back to a finer-grained scope. This ensures reasonable lock
>> distribution without requiring manual configuration via the
>> workqueue.default_affinity_scope parameter or per-workqueue sysfs
>> tuning.
>>
>> The fallback is conservative: it triggers only when a scope degenerates
>> to exactly one pod, and respects explicitly configured (non-default)
>> scopes.
> 
> While I understand the problem, I don't think dropping down to core boundary
> for unbound workqueues by default makes sense. That may help with some use
> cases but cause problem with others.

I've never seen a case where it doesn't help. In order to craft an
alternative, I'll need to have some examples to avoid. Is it only the
SMT case that is concerning?


> Given that WQ_AFFN_CACHE is the same as
> WQ_AFFN_NUMA on these machines, maybe we can shard it automatically
> according to some heuristics or maybe we can introduce another affinity
> level between CACHE and SMT which is sharded on machines with too many CPUs
> in a single cache domain.


-- 
Chuck Lever

  reply	other threads:[~2026-02-03 20:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-03 14:37 Chuck Lever
2026-02-03 19:10 ` Tejun Heo
2026-02-03 20:14   ` Chuck Lever [this message]
2026-02-03 20:29     ` Tejun Heo
2026-02-03 20:34       ` Chuck Lever
2026-02-03 20:43         ` Tejun Heo

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