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From: Yang Shi <yang@os.amperecomputing.com>
To: "Christoph Lameter (Ampere)" <cl@gentwo.org>,
	Heiko Carstens <hca@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com>,
	Alexander Gordeev <agordeev@linux.ibm.com>,
	Sven Schnelle <svens@linux.ibm.com>,
	Vasily Gorbik <gor@linux.ibm.com>,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@linux.ibm.com>,
	Juergen Christ <jchrist@linux.ibm.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Shrikanth Hegde <sshegde@linux.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/9] s390: Improve this_cpu operations
Date: Wed, 27 May 2026 13:38:06 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d362d0cc-cdfc-4916-b779-fba62b3fb38c@os.amperecomputing.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f417b97c-e321-6fe7-3a7b-a3a71b16f27b@gentwo.org>



On 5/27/26 12:09 PM, Christoph Lameter (Ampere) wrote:
> On Fri, 22 May 2026, Heiko Carstens wrote:
>
>> Also with the current proposal I only did some quick micro benchmarks,
>> which resulted in 0-1% improvement, which is in the expected range.
>>
>> It is amazing to see the performance improvements you see on arm64, however
>> I believe that is mainly because of the large amount of code which is
>> generated by the arm64 implementations of the preempt primitives
>> __preempt_count_add() and __preempt_count_dec_and_test().
> The code is generated if you have no arch specific per cpu mechanism and
> preemption must be supported. We have now the situation that we cannot
> switch off preemption support anymore.
>
> It seem that S390 has this mechanism in a small way and therefore can
> avoid the preempt enable/disable.
>
> It is not the quantity of code here. The preempt enable/disable can only
> be avoided if there is a single instruction doing the per cpu operation. A
> single instruction cannot be interupted and therefore is preemption safe.
>
>
>> That's a big difference to s390: for both primitives the result is a single
>> instruction.
> Ok then you can already use single instructions like x86 and will not have
> preempt enable/disable overhead.

I don't think S390 can do it in one single instruction. IIUC, Heiko 
means preempt_enable/disable is a single instruction on s390, but it is 
RMW on ARM64 (3 instructions for each).

Thanks,
Yang

>
> I am not sure what David Laight's code is supposed to do. Seems weird to
> me.
>


  reply	other threads:[~2026-05-27 20:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-20  9:22 Heiko Carstens
2026-05-20  9:22 ` [PATCH v3 1/9] s390/alternatives: Add new ALT_TYPE_PERCPU type Heiko Carstens
2026-05-20 12:43   ` David Laight
2026-05-20 13:50     ` Heiko Carstens
2026-05-20 14:16       ` Heiko Carstens
2026-05-20  9:22 ` [PATCH v3 2/9] s390/percpu: Infrastructure for more efficient this_cpu operations Heiko Carstens
2026-05-20  9:22 ` [PATCH v3 3/9] s390/percpu: Add missing do { } while (0) constructs Heiko Carstens
2026-05-20  9:22 ` [PATCH v3 4/9] s390/percpu: Use new percpu code section for arch_this_cpu_add() Heiko Carstens
2026-05-20  9:22 ` [PATCH v3 5/9] s390/percpu: Use new percpu code section for arch_this_cpu_add_return() Heiko Carstens
2026-05-20  9:22 ` [PATCH v3 6/9] s390/percpu: Use new percpu code section for arch_this_cpu_[and|or]() Heiko Carstens
2026-05-20  9:22 ` [PATCH v3 7/9] s390/percpu: Provide arch_this_cpu_read() implementation Heiko Carstens
2026-05-20  9:22 ` [PATCH v3 8/9] s390/percpu: Provide arch_this_cpu_write() implementation Heiko Carstens
2026-05-20  9:22 ` [PATCH v3 9/9] s390/percpu: Remove one and two byte this_cpu operation implementation Heiko Carstens
2026-05-20 18:42 ` [PATCH v3 0/9] s390: Improve this_cpu operations Yang Shi
2026-05-20 22:34   ` David Laight
2026-05-21  0:23     ` Yang Shi
2026-05-21 10:17       ` David Laight
2026-05-21 16:57         ` Yang Shi
2026-05-21 17:55           ` David Laight
2026-05-21 20:46             ` Yang Shi
2026-05-21 22:13               ` David Laight
2026-05-21 23:41                 ` Yang Shi
2026-05-21 10:23       ` David Laight
2026-05-21 17:48         ` Yang Shi
2026-05-21 10:37       ` Heiko Carstens
2026-05-21 17:47         ` Yang Shi
2026-05-22  9:18           ` Heiko Carstens
2026-05-27 19:09             ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2026-05-27 20:38               ` Yang Shi [this message]
2026-05-28  8:36                 ` David Laight
2026-05-27 23:44             ` Yang Shi
2026-05-28  9:03               ` David Laight
2026-05-28 19:19                 ` Yang Shi
2026-05-28 20:34                   ` David Laight
2026-05-28 14:14               ` Heiko Carstens
2026-05-28 17:14                 ` David Laight
2026-05-28 18:39                 ` Yang Shi

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