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From: Lino Sanfilippo <l.sanfilippo@kunbus.com>
To: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@kernel.org>,
	Lino Sanfilippo <LinoSanfilippo@gmx.de>,
	peterhuewe@gmx.de, jgg@ziepe.ca
Cc: jsnitsel@redhat.com, hdegoede@redhat.com, oe-lkp@lists.linux.dev,
	lkp@intel.com, peter.ujfalusi@linux.intel.com,
	peterz@infradead.org, linux@mniewoehner.de,
	linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	lukas@wunner.de, p.rosenberger@kunbus.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] tpm, tpm_tis: Handle interrupt storm
Date: Tue, 23 May 2023 22:46:44 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <da435e0d-5f22-fac7-bc10-96a0fd4c6d54@kunbus.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CSTVVFNKUVJW.P69FKI6IF3ZN@suppilovahvero>

Hi,

On 23.05.23 20:53, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
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> 
> On Mon May 22, 2023 at 5:31 PM EEST, Lino Sanfilippo wrote:
>> From: Lino Sanfilippo <l.sanfilippo@kunbus.com>
>>
>> Commit e644b2f498d2 ("tpm, tpm_tis: Enable interrupt test") enabled
>> interrupts instead of polling on all capable TPMs. Unfortunately, on some
>> products the interrupt line is either never asserted or never deasserted.
>>
>> The former causes interrupt timeouts and is detected by
>> tpm_tis_core_init(). The latter results in interrupt storms.
>>
>> Recent reports concern the Lenovo ThinkStation P360 Tiny, Lenovo ThinkPad
>> L490 and Inspur NF5180M6:
>>
>> https://lore.kernel.org/linux-integrity/20230511005403.24689-1-jsnitsel@redhat.com/
>> https://lore.kernel.org/linux-integrity/d80b180a569a9f068d3a2614f062cfa3a78af5a6.camel@kernel.org/
>>
>> The current approach to avoid those storms is to disable interrupts by
>> adding a DMI quirk for the concerned device.
>>
>> However this is a maintenance burden in the long run, so use a generic
>> approach:
> 
> I'm trying to comprehend how you evaluate, how big maintenance burden
> this would be. Adding even a few dozen table entries is not a
> maintenance burden.
> 
> On the other hand any new functionality is objectively a maintanance
> burden of some measure (applies to any functionality). So how do we know
> that taking this change is less of a maintenance burden than just add
> new table entries, as they come up?
> 

Initially this set was created as a response to this 0-day bug report which you asked me
to have a look at:

https://lore.kernel.org/linux-integrity/d80b180a569a9f068d3a2614f062cfa3a78af5a6.camel@kernel.org/

My hope was that it could also avoid some of (existing or future) DMI entries. But even if it does not
(e.g. the problem Péter Ujfalusi reported with the UPX-i11 cannot be fixed by this patch set and thus
needs the DMI quirk) we may at least avoid more bug reports due to interrupt storms once
6.4 is released. 


>> Detect an interrupt storm by counting the number of unhandled interrupts
>> within a 10 ms time interval. In case that more than 1000 were unhandled
>> deactivate interrupts, deregister the handler and fall back to polling.
> 
> I know it can be sometimes hard to evaluate but can you try to explain
> how you came up to the 10 ms sampling period and 1000 interrupt
> threshold? I just don't like abritrary numbers.

At least the 100 ms is not plucked out of thin air but its the same time period
that the generic code in note_interrupt() uses - I assume for a good reason.
Not only this number but the whole irq storm detection logic is taken from 
there: 

> 
>> This equals the implementation that handles interrupt storms in
>> note_interrupt() by means of timestamps and counters in struct irq_desc.

The number of 1000 unhandled interrupts is still far below the 99900 used in
note_interrupt() but IMHO enough to indicate that there is something seriously
wrong with interrupt processing and it is probably saver to fall back to polling.


Regards,
Lino






  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-05-23 20:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-22 14:31 Lino Sanfilippo
2023-05-22 14:31 ` [PATCH 2/2] tpm, tpm_tis: reuse code in disable_interrupts() Lino Sanfilippo
2023-05-22 22:45   ` Jerry Snitselaar
2023-05-23  7:08   ` Péter Ujfalusi
2023-05-23 19:07   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-23 20:52     ` Lino Sanfilippo
2023-05-24  1:29       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-22 22:44 ` [PATCH 1/2] tpm, tpm_tis: Handle interrupt storm Jerry Snitselaar
2023-05-23  6:48 ` Péter Ujfalusi
2023-05-23  7:07   ` Péter Ujfalusi
2023-05-23  7:44   ` Lukas Wunner
2023-05-23  9:14     ` Péter Ujfalusi
2023-05-23  9:20       ` Hans de Goede
2023-05-23  9:35       ` Péter Ujfalusi
2023-05-23 10:35         ` Lino Sanfilippo
2023-05-23 15:19         ` Lukas Wunner
2023-05-23 10:41       ` Lino Sanfilippo
2023-05-23 15:16       ` Lukas Wunner
2023-05-24  9:08         ` Hans de Goede
2023-05-29 10:44         ` Michael Niewöhner
2023-05-23 19:35   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-23 18:53 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-23 19:00   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-23 19:46     ` Lukas Wunner
2023-05-24  1:44       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-23 20:50     ` Lino Sanfilippo
2023-05-23 19:12   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-23 22:32     ` Jerry Snitselaar
2023-05-24  1:21       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-23 19:37   ` Lukas Wunner
2023-05-24  1:46     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-23 20:46   ` Lino Sanfilippo [this message]
2023-05-29  6:46     ` Péter Ujfalusi
2023-05-29 13:15       ` Lino Sanfilippo
2023-06-06 16:42         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-30 17:56       ` Jerry Snitselaar
2023-06-06 16:35         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-06-06 16:45       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-24  3:58 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-24  3:59   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-24  7:29   ` Lukas Wunner
2023-05-24 15:30   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-26  0:37     ` Lino Sanfilippo
2023-05-30 10:31     ` Lino Sanfilippo
2023-05-25 23:45   ` Lino Sanfilippo

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