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From: Konrad Dybcio <konrad.dybcio@oss.qualcomm.com>
To: Dmitry Baryshkov <dmitry.baryshkov@oss.qualcomm.com>
Cc: Konrad Dybcio <konradybcio@kernel.org>,
	Stephen Boyd <sboyd@kernel.org>,
	Brian Masney <bmasney+clk@redhat.com>,
	Jerome Brunet <jbrunet+clk@baylibre.com>,
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	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
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	Bjorn Andersson <andersson@kernel.org>,
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	Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk+dt@kernel.org>,
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	Mike Tipton <mike.tipton@oss.qualcomm.com>,
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	linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, driver-core@lists.linux.dev,
	linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org, devicetree@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 07/16] clk: qcom: Add clock-owned GenPD DVFS aggregation
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2026 18:45:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <dad15717-4439-41b7-8552-0176c9cd1505@oss.qualcomm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <dbyuabhh3phhe3uq2kvhcnuem7qb2a6j5yvhl6ylizqikt2rlk@vyvrcj3lewtp>

On 10/14/26 6:30 PM, Dmitry Baryshkov wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2026 at 05:26:00PM +0200, Konrad Dybcio wrote:
>> On 10/14/26 4:36 PM, Dmitry Baryshkov wrote:
>>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2026 at 02:19:07PM +0200, Konrad Dybcio wrote:
>>>> From: Konrad Dybcio <konrad.dybcio@oss.qualcomm.com>
>>>>
>>>> Clocks on Qualcomm SoCs need a minimum power rail performance state to
>>>> operate at a given frequency. We currently leave this to clock
>>>> consumers, so a driver has to know which power domains supply both the
>>>> clock and its parents. This ties knowledge of the clock tree to
>>>> individual consumers and doesn't protect other users that prepare or
>>>> change the same clock without making those power requests.
>>>
>>> Why would they prepare or change the same clock without making power
>>> requests? If it's a legitimate user of the clock, it should have an OPP
>>> table. If it's not, it should have a separate API to set the clock via a
>>> legitimate user / aggregator.
>>
>> That's the entire problem that motivated this series. The consumer
>> doesn't know what it needs on Qualcomm platforms. The power
>> requirements are that of the clock controller's, not of that device's.
> 
> I'd still say that the consumers know that they need a certain
> frequency, which demands a certain voltage / power / etc.

Right, but the meaningful difference here is that the consumers
only know they need a certain frequency. The required power votes
from that don't stem from the consumer's requirements. They stem
from the clock controller's inner workings that are necessary to
fulfill the consumer's demand.

[...]

>> The Qualcomm case is easy - RPMH is *always* reachable, so the
>> pmdomain provider needs no clocks itself. For the other cases,
>> "patches welcome".
> 
> Ok. There is a promise that I2C PMICs will never ever be involved in the
> clock / power tables.

Or at least that someone who needs them will contribute a
solution to this problem.

> 
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>> +static unsigned int
>>>> +qcom_clk_dvfs_aggregate(struct qcom_clk_dvfs_rail_voter *rail_voter)
>>>> +{
>>>> +	struct qcom_clk_dvfs_vote *vote;
>>>> +	unsigned int level = 0;
>>>> +
>>>> +	list_for_each_entry(vote, &rail_voter->votes, node)
>>>> +		level = max(level, vote->level);
>>>> +
>>>> +	return max(level, rail_voter->safety_floor_level);
>>>
>>> I guess you want to avoid having too many voters, but would it be
>>> possible to have one voter per 'signficant' clock and let GenPD itself
>>> aggregate all the votes?
>>
>> What does "significant" mean here?
> 
> I'd define it as "using a different power domain or requiring a
> different corner".

I still don't get it

Konrad

  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-14 16:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-14 12:19 [RFC PATCH 00/16] Centralize the ownership of power rail votes for Qualcomm clocks Konrad Dybcio
2026-10-14 12:19 ` [PATCH RFC 01/16] clk: Propagate rate programming failures Konrad Dybcio
2026-10-14 13:25   ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-10-14 12:19 ` [PATCH RFC 02/16] clk: Acquire resources for clock transitions Konrad Dybcio
2026-10-14 12:19 ` [PATCH RFC 03/16] OPP: Retry failed default single-clock transitions Konrad Dybcio
2026-10-14 13:35   ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-10-14 16:14     ` Konrad Dybcio
2026-10-14 16:32       ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-10-14 12:19 ` [PATCH RFC 04/16] pmdomain: core: Support named indexed virtual attachments Konrad Dybcio
2026-10-14 12:19 ` [PATCH RFC 05/16] pmdomain: core: Support subdomains without pstate propagation Konrad Dybcio
2026-10-14 12:19 ` [PATCH RFC 06/16] pmdomain: core: Support indexed power-domain attachment lists Konrad Dybcio
2026-10-14 12:19 ` [PATCH RFC 07/16] clk: qcom: Add clock-owned GenPD DVFS aggregation Konrad Dybcio
2026-10-14 14:36   ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-10-14 15:26     ` Konrad Dybcio
2026-10-14 16:30       ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-10-14 16:45         ` Konrad Dybcio [this message]
2026-10-14 17:31           ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-10-15  8:08             ` Konrad Dybcio
2026-10-14 12:19 ` [PATCH RFC 08/16] clk: qcom: dvfs: Add debugfs Konrad Dybcio
2026-10-14 12:19 ` [PATCH RFC 09/16] clk: qcom: clk-alpha-pll: Add DVFS (un)prepare Konrad Dybcio
2026-10-14 12:19 ` [PATCH RFC 10/16] clk: qcom: clk-alpha-pll: Vote for the PLL calibration frequency Konrad Dybcio
2026-10-14 12:19 ` [PATCH RFC 11/16] clk: qcom: gdsc: Make GDSC parenting optional Konrad Dybcio
2026-10-14 14:17   ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-10-14 14:20     ` Konrad Dybcio
2026-10-14 14:34       ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-10-14 14:36         ` Konrad Dybcio
2026-10-14 12:19 ` [PATCH RFC 12/16] clk: qcom: gdsc: Link required power domains Konrad Dybcio
2026-10-14 12:19 ` [PATCH DNM RFC 13/16] arm64: dts: qcom: sm8650: Describe clock controller power rails Konrad Dybcio
2026-10-14 14:19   ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-10-14 14:20     ` Konrad Dybcio
2026-10-14 14:33       ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-10-14 14:36         ` Konrad Dybcio
2026-10-14 15:01           ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-10-14 15:23             ` Konrad Dybcio
2026-10-14 12:19 ` [PATCH DNM RFC 14/16] clk: qcom: Enable clk-dvfs on SM8650 Konrad Dybcio
2026-10-14 14:40   ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-10-14 15:22     ` Konrad Dybcio
2026-10-14 16:35       ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-10-14 16:42         ` Konrad Dybcio
2026-10-14 12:19 ` [PATCH DNM RFC 15/16] arm64: dts: qcom: sm8650: Drop required-opps Konrad Dybcio
2026-10-14 14:23   ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-10-14 14:33     ` Konrad Dybcio
2026-10-14 12:19 ` [PATCH DNM RFC 16/16] pmdomain: qcom: rpmhpd: Stop forwarding MMCX pstate to CX Konrad Dybcio
2026-10-14 14:37 ` [RFC PATCH 00/16] Centralize the ownership of power rail votes for Qualcomm clocks Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-10-14 16:19   ` Konrad Dybcio

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