From: Tiffany Yang <ynaffit@google.com>
To: "Michal Koutný" <mkoutny@suse.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, John Stultz <jstultz@google.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Stephen Boyd <sboyd@kernel.org>,
Anna-Maria Behnsen <anna-maria@linutronix.de>,
Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
Pavel Machek <pavel@kernel.org>,
Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
Chen Ridong <chenridong@huawei.com>,
kernel-team@android.com, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2] cgroup: Track time in cgroup v2 freezer
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2025 15:16:22 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <dbx8seinan2h.fsf@ynaffit-andsys.c.googlers.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5rm53pnhpdeqljxqywh26gffh6vlyb5j5s6pzxhv52odhkl4fm@o6p7daoponsn> ("Michal =?utf-8?Q?Koutn=C3=BD=22's?= message of "Thu, 17 Jul 2025 14:56:13 +0200")
Michal Koutný <mkoutny@suse.com> writes:
> I'd like to incorporate the reason from your other mail:
> | Since there isn't yet a clear way to identify a set of "lost" time
> | that everyone (or at least a wider group of users) cares about, it
> | seems like iterating over components of interest is the best way
> into this commit message (because that's a stronger ponit that your use
> case alone).
>> Any feedback would be much appreciated!
> I can see benefits of this new stat field conceptually, I have some
> remarks to implementation and suggestions to conventions below.
>> --- a/Documentation/admin-guide/cgroup-v2.rst
>> +++ b/Documentation/admin-guide/cgroup-v2.rst
>> @@ -1018,6 +1018,14 @@ All cgroup core files are prefixed with "cgroup."
>> it's possible to delete a frozen (and empty) cgroup, as well as
>> create new sub-cgroups.
>> + cgroup.freeze.stat
> With the given implementation (and use scenario), this'd better exposed
> in
> cgroup.freeze.stat.local
> I grok the hierarchical summing would make little sense and it'd make
> implementaion more complex. With that I'm thinking about formulation:
> Cumulative time that cgroup has spent between freezing and
> thawing, regardless of whether by self or ancestor cgroups. NB
> (not) reaching "frozen" state is not accounted here.
>> + A read-only flat-keyed file which exists in non-root cgroups.
>> + The following entry is defined:
>> +
>> + freeze_time_total_ns
>> + Cumulative time that this cgroup has spent in the freezing
>> + state, regardless of whether or not it reaches "frozen".
>> +
> Rather use microseconds, it's the cgroup API convention and I'm not
> sure nanosecods exposed here are the needed precision.
Ack.
> 1 _____
> frozen 0 __/ \__
> ab cd
> Yeah, I find the mesurent between a and c the sanest.
>> +static int cgroup_freeze_stat_show(struct seq_file *seq, void *v)
>> +{
>> + struct cgroup *cgrp = seq_css(seq)->cgroup;
>> + u64 freeze_time = 0;
>> +
>> + spin_lock_irq(&css_set_lock);
>> + if (test_bit(CGRP_FREEZE, &cgrp->flags))
>> + freeze_time = ktime_get_ns() - cgrp->freezer.freeze_time_start_ns;
>> +
>> + freeze_time += cgrp->freezer.freeze_time_total_ns;
>> + spin_unlock_irq(&css_set_lock);
> I don't like taking this spinlock only for the matter of reading this
> attribute. The intention should be to keep the (un)freezeing mostly
> unaffected at the expense of these readers (seqcount or u64 stats?).
Ah, thank you for this suggestion! I noticed that none of the other
seq_file read implementations took a lock, so I thought this might be a
point of contention. I'll try a seqlock in the next version of the
patch.
> Alternative approach: either there's outer watcher who can be notified
> by cgroup.events:frozen or it's an inner watcher who couldn't actively
> read the field anyway. So the field could only show completed
> freeze/thaw cycles from the past (i.e. not substitute clock_gettime(2)
> when the cgroup is frozen), which could simplify querying the flag too.
This is a good observation. This approach does simplify things, but
even though it would work for our use case, I feel like this value
would be less useful for the outer watcher case, especially in the case
where the cgroup never reaches the frozen state.
>> @@ -5758,6 +5780,7 @@ static struct cgroup *cgroup_create(struct cgroup
>> *parent, const char *name,
>> * if the parent has to be frozen, the child has too.
>> */
>> cgrp->freezer.e_freeze = parent->freezer.e_freeze;
>> + cgrp->freezer.freeze_time_total_ns = 0;
> struct cgroup is kzalloc'd, this is unnecessary
Thank you for all your feedback! I'll make sure to incorporate these
suggestions into the next version.
--
Tiffany Y. Yang
prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-07-22 22:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-07-14 5:00 Tiffany Yang
2025-07-17 12:56 ` Michal Koutný
2025-07-17 13:52 ` Chen Ridong
2025-07-17 17:06 ` Tejun Heo
2025-07-22 22:41 ` Tiffany Yang
2025-07-22 22:27 ` Tiffany Yang
2025-07-17 17:05 ` Tejun Heo
2025-07-18 8:20 ` Michal Koutný
2025-07-18 9:26 ` Chen Ridong
2025-07-18 13:58 ` cpu.stat in core or cpu controller (was Re: [RFC PATCH v2] cgroup: Track time in cgroup v2 freezer) Michal Koutný
2025-07-19 2:01 ` Chen Ridong
2025-07-19 16:27 ` Tejun Heo
2025-07-22 9:01 ` Chen Ridong
2025-07-22 11:54 ` Michal Koutný
2025-07-23 1:28 ` Chen Ridong
2025-07-25 1:08 ` Tejun Heo
2025-07-25 1:54 ` Chen Ridong
2025-07-22 22:16 ` Tiffany Yang [this message]
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