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From: Chao Yu <chao@kernel.org>
To: Gao Xiang <hsiangkao@linux.alibaba.com>, linux-erofs@lists.ozlabs.org
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/4] erofs: add file-backed mount support
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2024 16:22:03 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e0a6cccc-c982-4d8c-95a4-afa63da6aa7b@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240830032840.3783206-1-hsiangkao@linux.alibaba.com>

On 2024/8/30 11:28, Gao Xiang wrote:
> It actually has been around for years: For containers and other sandbox
> use cases, there will be thousands (and even more) of authenticated
> (sub)images running on the same host, unlike OS images.
> 
> Of course, all scenarios can use the same EROFS on-disk format, but
> bdev-backed mounts just work well for OS images since golden data is
> dumped into real block devices.  However, it's somewhat hard for
> container runtimes to manage and isolate so many unnecessary virtual
> block devices safely and efficiently [1]: they just look like a burden
> to orchestrators and file-backed mounts are preferred indeed.  There
> were already enough attempts such as Incremental FS, the original
> ComposeFS and PuzzleFS acting in the same way for immutable fses.  As
> for current EROFS users, ComposeFS, containerd and Android APEXs will
> be directly benefited from it.
> 
> On the other hand, previous experimental feature "erofs over fscache"
> was once also intended to provide a similar solution (inspired by
> Incremental FS discussion [2]), but the following facts show file-backed
> mounts will be a better approach:
>   - Fscache infrastructure has recently been moved into new Netfslib
>     which is an unexpected dependency to EROFS really, although it
>     originally claims "it could be used for caching other things such as
>     ISO9660 filesystems too." [3]
> 
>   - It takes an unexpectedly long time to upstream Fscache/Cachefiles
>     enhancements.  For example, the failover feature took more than
>     one year, and the deamonless feature is still far behind now;
> 
>   - Ongoing HSM "fanotify pre-content hooks" [4] together with this will
>     perfectly supersede "erofs over fscache" in a simpler way since
>     developers (mainly containerd folks) could leverage their existing
>     caching mechanism entirely in userspace instead of strictly following
>     the predefined in-kernel caching tree hierarchy.
> 
> After "fanotify pre-content hooks" lands upstream to provide the same
> functionality, "erofs over fscache" will be removed then (as an EROFS
> internal improvement and EROFS will not have to bother with on-demand
> fetching and/or caching improvements anymore.)
> 
> [1] https://github.com/containers/storage/pull/2039
> [2] https://lore.kernel.org/r/CAOQ4uxjbVxnubaPjVaGYiSwoGDTdpWbB=w_AeM6YM=zVixsUfQ@mail.gmail.com
> [3] https://docs.kernel.org/filesystems/caching/fscache.html
> [4] https://lore.kernel.org/r/cover.1723670362.git.josef@toxicpanda.com
> 
> Closes: https://github.com/containers/composefs/issues/144
> Signed-off-by: Gao Xiang <hsiangkao@linux.alibaba.com>

Reviewed-by: Chao Yu <chao@kernel.org>

Thanks,

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-09-05  8:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-30  3:28 Gao Xiang
2024-08-30  3:28 ` [PATCH v2 2/4] erofs: support unencoded inodes for fileio Gao Xiang
2024-08-31  0:19   ` Sandeep Dhavale
2024-08-31  2:54     ` Gao Xiang
2024-08-31  4:25   ` Sandeep Dhavale
2024-08-31  7:54     ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-01 20:47       ` Sandeep Dhavale
2024-09-04  6:56   ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-05  9:01   ` Chao Yu
2024-09-05  9:13     ` Gao Xiang
2024-08-30  3:28 ` [PATCH v2 3/4] erofs: support compressed " Gao Xiang
2024-09-01 20:47   ` Sandeep Dhavale
2024-09-05  9:01   ` Chao Yu
2024-09-05  9:14     ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-05  9:46   ` Chao Yu
2024-08-30  3:28 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] erofs: mark experimental fscache backend deprecated Gao Xiang
2024-09-01 20:48   ` Sandeep Dhavale
2024-09-05  9:03   ` Chao Yu
2024-08-31  0:30 ` [PATCH v2 1/4] erofs: add file-backed mount support Sandeep Dhavale
2024-08-31  3:00   ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-01 20:46 ` Sandeep Dhavale
2024-09-05  8:22 ` Chao Yu [this message]
2024-09-05  9:30 ` [PATCH v3 2/4] erofs: support unencoded inodes for fileio Gao Xiang
2024-09-05  9:44   ` Chao Yu
2024-09-24  9:21 ` [PATCH v2 1/4] erofs: add file-backed mount support Geert Uytterhoeven
2024-09-24  9:29   ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-30 14:18   ` Jan Kara
2024-09-30 14:22     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2024-10-02  6:12     ` Christian Brauner
2024-10-02 11:25       ` Gao Xiang

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