From: Crystal Wood <swood@redhat.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>,
Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com>,
Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, John Stultz <jstultz@google.com>,
Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/4] sched/core: Provide sched_rtmutex() and expose sched work helpers
Date: Tue, 09 May 2023 17:14:38 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <e17e3aa2c9ac1d6e410f66986da3c41efa9f7462.camel@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230503132051.GB1676736@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>
On Wed, 2023-05-03 at 15:20 +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 01:19:34PM +0200, Sebastian Andrzej Siewior wrote:
> > From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
> >
> > schedule() invokes sched_submit_work() before scheduling and
> > sched_update_worker() afterwards to ensure that queued block requests
> > are
> > flushed and the (IO)worker machineries can instantiate new workers if
> > required. This avoids deadlocks and starvation.
> >
> > With rt_mutexes this can lead to subtle problem:
> >
> > When rtmutex blocks current::pi_blocked_on points to the rtmutex it
> > blocks on. When one of the functions in sched_submit/resume_work()
> > contends on a rtmutex based lock then that would corrupt
> > current::pi_blocked_on.
> >
> > Make it possible to let rtmutex issue the calls outside of the slowpath,
> > i.e. when it is guaranteed that current::pi_blocked_on is NULL, by:
> >
> > - Exposing sched_submit_work() and moving the task_running() condition
> > into schedule()
> >
> > - Renamimg sched_update_worker() to sched_resume_work() and exposing
> > it
> > too.
> >
> > - Providing sched_rtmutex() which just does the inner loop of
> > scheduling
> > until need_resched() is not longer set. Split out the loop so this
> > does
> > not create yet another copy.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
> > Signed-off-by: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
>
> Urgh, so I really don't like this.
>
> The end result is something like:
>
> rt_mutex_lock()
> sched_submit_work();
> // a nested rt_mutex_lock() here will not clobber
> // ->pi_blocked_on because it's not set yet.
>
> task_blocks_on_rt_mutex();
> tsk->pi_blocked_on = waiter;
> rt_mutex_enqueue(lock, waiter); <-- the real problem
>
> rt_mutex_slowlock_block();
> schedule_rtmutex();
>
> sched_resume_work();
>
> And all of this it not just because tsk->pi_blocked_on, but mostly
> because of task_blocks_on_rt_mutex() enqueueing the waiter. The whole
> enqueue thing is what makes the 'simple' solution of saving/restoring
> tsk->pi_blocked_on not work.
>
> Basically the pi_blocked_on curruption is a side effect, not the
> fundamental issue. One task having two waiters registered is the bigger
> issue.
Where do you see pi_blocked_on being saved/restored? The whole point of
this patchset is to deal with sched_submit_work() before anything has
been done on the "outer" lock acquisition (not just pi_blocked_on, but
also enqueuing) other than failing the fast path.
> Now, sched_submit_work() could also use (regular) mutex -- after all
> it's a fully preemptible context. And then we're subject to the 'same'
> problem but with tsk->blocked_on (DEBUG_MUTEXES=y).
It's fully preemptible but it still shouldn't be doing things that would
block on non-RT. That'd already be broken for a number of reasons (task
state corruption, infinite recursion if current->plug isn't cleared
before doing whatever causes another standard schedule(), etc).
-Crystal
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-05-09 22:15 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-04-27 11:19 [PATCH v2 0/4] locking/rtmutex: Avoid overwriting pi_blocked_on while invoking blk_flush_plug() Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-04-27 11:19 ` [PATCH v2 1/4] sched/core: Provide sched_rtmutex() and expose sched work helpers Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-05-03 13:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-09 22:14 ` Crystal Wood [this message]
2023-05-11 13:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-10 15:04 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-05-11 13:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-25 15:25 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-06-16 12:37 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-04-27 11:19 ` [PATCH v2 2/4] locking/rtmutex: Submit/resume work explicitly before/after blocking Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-04-27 11:19 ` [PATCH v2 3/4] locking/rtmutex: Avoid pointless blk_flush_plug() invocations Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-04-27 11:19 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] locking/rtmutex: Add a lockdep assert to catch potential nested blocking Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
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