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From: Neeraj Upadhyay <Neeraj.Upadhyay@amd.com>
To: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@redhat.com,
	dave.hansen@linux.intel.com, Thomas.Lendacky@amd.com,
	nikunj@amd.com, Santosh.Shukla@amd.com, Vasant.Hegde@amd.com,
	Suravee.Suthikulpanit@amd.com, bp@alien8.de,
	David.Kaplan@amd.com, x86@kernel.org, hpa@zytor.com,
	peterz@infradead.org, seanjc@google.com, pbonzini@redhat.com,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 02/14] x86/apic: Initialize Secure AVIC APIC backing page
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2024 23:22:58 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e4568d3d-f115-4931-bbc6-9a32eb04ee1c@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2436d521-aa4c-45ac-9ccc-be9a4b5cb391@intel.com>



On 10/9/2024 10:33 PM, Dave Hansen wrote:
> On 10/9/24 09:31, Neeraj Upadhyay wrote:
>>> Second, this looks to be allocating a potentially large physically
>>> contiguous chunk of memory, then handing it out 4k at a time.  The loop is:
>>>
>>> 	buf = alloc(NR_CPUS * PAGE_SIZE);
>>> 	for (i = 0; i < NR_CPUS; i++)
>>> 		foo[i] = buf + i * PAGE_SIZE;
>>>
>>> but could be:
>>>
>>> 	for (i = 0; i < NR_CPUS; i++)
>>> 		foo[i] = alloc(PAGE_SIZE);
>>>
>>> right?
>>
>> Single contiguous allocation is done here to avoid TLB impact due to backing page
>> accesses (e.g. sending ipi requires writing to target CPU's backing page).
>> I can change it to allocation in chunks of size 2M instead of one big allocation.
>> Is that fine? Also, as described in commit message, reserving entire 2M chunk
>> for backing pages also prevents splitting of NPT entries into individual 4K entries.
>> This can happen if part of a 2M page is not allocated for backing pages by guest
>> and page state change (from private to shared) is done for that part.
> 
> Ick.
> 
> First, this needs to be thoroughly commented, not in the changelogs.
> 

Ok.

> Second, this is premature optimization at its finest.  Just imagine if
> _every_ site that needed 16k or 32k of shared memory decided to allocate
> a 2M chunk for this _and_ used it sparsely.  What's the average number
> of vCPUs in a guest.  4?  8?
> 

Got it.

> The absolute minimum that we can do here is some stupid infrastructure
> that you call for allocating shared pages, or for things that _will_ be
> converted to shared so they get packed.
> 
> But hacking uncommented 2M allocations into every site seems like
> insanity to me.
> 
> IMNHO, you can either invest the time to put the infrastructure in place
> and get 2M pages, or you can live with the suboptimal performance of 4k.

I will start with 4K. For later, I will get the performance numbers to propose
a change in allocation scheme  - for ex, allocating a bigger contiguous
batch from the total allocation required for backing pages (num_possible_cpus() * 4K)
without doing 2M reservation.


- Neeraj




  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-09 17:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-13 11:36 [RFC 00/14] AMD: Add Secure AVIC Guest Support Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-09-13 11:36 ` [RFC 01/14] x86/apic: Add new driver for Secure AVIC Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-10-08 19:15   ` Borislav Petkov
2024-10-09  1:56     ` Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-10-09  5:23       ` Borislav Petkov
2024-10-09  6:01         ` Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-10-09 10:38           ` Borislav Petkov
2024-10-09 11:00             ` Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-10-09 11:02             ` Borislav Petkov
2024-10-09 12:38               ` Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-10-09 13:15           ` Tom Lendacky
2024-10-09 13:50             ` Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-10-09 10:10   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2024-10-09 10:42     ` Borislav Petkov
2024-10-09 11:03       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2024-10-09 11:22         ` Borislav Petkov
2024-10-09 12:12           ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2024-10-09 13:53             ` Borislav Petkov
2024-10-11  7:29               ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2024-11-18 21:45   ` Melody (Huibo) Wang
2024-11-21  5:05     ` Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-11-21  5:41       ` Borislav Petkov
2024-11-21  8:03         ` Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-11-21 10:53           ` Borislav Petkov
2024-11-25  7:21             ` Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-11-25 10:08               ` Borislav Petkov
2024-11-25 11:16                 ` Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-09-13 11:36 ` [RFC 02/14] x86/apic: Initialize Secure AVIC APIC backing page Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-10-09 15:27   ` Dave Hansen
2024-10-09 16:31     ` Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-10-09 17:03       ` Dave Hansen
2024-10-09 17:52         ` Neeraj Upadhyay [this message]
2024-10-23 16:30           ` Borislav Petkov
2024-10-24  4:01             ` Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-10-24 11:49               ` Borislav Petkov
2024-10-24 12:31                 ` Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-10-24 12:59                   ` Borislav Petkov
2024-10-23 16:36   ` Borislav Petkov
2024-10-24  3:24     ` Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-09-13 11:36 ` [RFC 03/14] x86/apic: Populate .read()/.write() callbacks of Secure AVIC driver Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-11-06 18:16   ` Borislav Petkov
2024-11-07  3:32     ` Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-11-07 14:28       ` Borislav Petkov
2024-11-08  8:59         ` Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-11-08 10:48           ` Borislav Petkov
2024-11-08 16:14             ` Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-11-06 19:20   ` Melody (Huibo) Wang
2024-11-07  3:33     ` Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-09-13 11:36 ` [RFC 04/14] x86/apic: Initialize APIC backing page for Secure AVIC Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-11-07 15:28   ` Borislav Petkov
2024-11-08 18:08     ` Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-11-09 16:27       ` Borislav Petkov
2024-11-09 16:51         ` Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-11-11 22:43   ` [sos-linux-ext-patches] " Melody (Huibo) Wang
2024-11-12  3:01     ` Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-09-13 11:36 ` [RFC 05/14] x86/apic: Initialize APIC ID " Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-11-09 20:13   ` [sos-linux-ext-patches] " Melody (Huibo) Wang
2024-11-10  3:55     ` Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-11-10 12:12       ` Borislav Petkov
2024-11-10 15:22         ` Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-11-10 16:34           ` Borislav Petkov
2024-11-11  3:45             ` Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-09-13 11:36 ` [RFC 06/14] x86/apic: Add update_vector callback " Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-09-13 11:36 ` [RFC 07/14] x86/apic: Add support to send IPI " Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-09-13 11:36 ` [RFC 08/14] x86/apic: Support LAPIC timer " Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-09-13 11:37 ` [RFC 09/14] x86/sev: Initialize VGIF for secondary VCPUs " Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-09-13 11:37 ` [RFC 10/14] x86/apic: Add support to send NMI IPI " Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-09-13 11:37 ` [RFC 11/14] x86/apic: Allow NMI to be injected from hypervisor " Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-09-13 11:37 ` [RFC 12/14] x86/sev: Enable NMI support " Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-09-13 11:37 ` [RFC 13/14] x86/apic: Enable Secure AVIC in Control MSR Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-09-13 11:37 ` [RFC 14/14] x86/sev: Indicate SEV-SNP guest supports Secure AVIC Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-10-17  8:23 ` [RFC 00/14] AMD: Add Secure AVIC Guest Support Kirill A. Shutemov
2024-10-18  2:33   ` Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-10-18  7:54     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2024-10-29  9:47       ` Borislav Petkov
2024-10-29 10:24         ` Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-10-29 10:54           ` Borislav Petkov
2024-10-29 11:51           ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2024-10-29 12:15             ` Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-10-29 14:36               ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2024-10-29 15:28                 ` Neeraj Upadhyay

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