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From: "Francesco Pretto" <ceztko@gmail.com>
To: "Rob Landley" <rob@landley.net>
Cc: "Dave Jones" <davej@redhat.com>, "Tejun Heo" <htejun@gmail.com>,
	"Phillip Susi" <psusi@cfl.rr.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Weird hard disk noise on shutdown (bug #7674)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 11:15:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e5ab0f710705160215p6b11bffeh53796b1b2223fd6d@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200705160129.16048.rob@landley.net>

2007/5/16, Rob Landley <rob@landley.net>:
> (Is there any other piece of hardware that needs userspace to quiesce it just
> so the _off_switch_ can take effect?  Yes, I read both the gmane thread and
> the linux-ata.org link.  I used to maintain the busybox halt/reboot/poweroff
> commands, although I don't anymore.  That just called reboot(), and this
> worked.)
>

For what i understood, there were a misunderstanding caused by the
wrong assumption that shutdown(8) implementations were issuing
STANDBYNOW on all hard disk devices on the system (indistinctly from
the interface, old-ide/libata/scsi). The fact is that sysvinit and
others actually do something with the old interface /proc/ide, trying
to spindown the hard disks. This worked only on systems using the old
ide/ata drivers because kernel prior to 2.6.22rc1 didn't even have the
necessary feature to spindown hard disks using the libata or the scsi
interface.

Hopefully, with the patch in discussion, there will be an happy ending with:

- sysvinit and derived implementations:
if ( old ide/ata drivers are used )
  {continue to do the old userland spindown mechanism with /proc/ide; }
// else
//  { do nothing; }
reboot();

- everyone else:
// continue to do nothing :-)
reboot();

If exists some, at this point, exotic shutdown(8) implementation that
is trying to issue STANDBYBOW on libata/scsi devices, it will get a
fat warning. The warning could also state that the only supported way
is to leave complete responsibility of spinning down the hard disks to
kernel, so eventually it could be cleaned of checks and compatibility
options.

[1] http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ide/18846

  reply	other threads:[~2007-05-16  9:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <fa.Ia7dfo7Zd5kB6KhSYisfswa1aj4@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.YHt2nIlQmoW5r2enmTSzsaySwH4@ifi.uio.no>
2007-02-22  2:43   ` Robert Hancock
2007-02-23 20:35     ` Francesco Pretto
     [not found]       ` <e5ab0f710703020009u2b94fb72ja51e85b8b90eaba0@mail.gmail.com>
2007-03-02 23:43         ` Dan Gilliam
2007-05-04 19:12       ` Phillip Susi
2007-05-04 20:39         ` Tejun Heo
2007-05-06 18:19           ` Francesco Pretto
2007-05-06 18:24             ` Tejun Heo
2007-05-14 17:32             ` Tejun Heo
2007-05-14 20:46               ` Francesco Pretto
2007-05-15  6:59                 ` Tejun Heo
2007-05-15 13:16                 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-15 13:47                   ` Tejun Heo
2007-05-15 21:08               ` Dave Jones
2007-05-16  5:29                 ` Rob Landley
2007-05-16  9:15                   ` Francesco Pretto [this message]
2007-05-16 11:38                     ` Tejun Heo
2007-05-16 23:47                     ` Rob Landley
2007-05-17  9:12                       ` Tejun Heo
2007-05-16 11:41                   ` Tejun Heo
2007-05-16 23:48                     ` Rob Landley
2007-05-17  0:58                       ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-17  3:05                         ` Rob Landley
2007-05-17  3:39                           ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-17 15:04                             ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-05-18  7:16                               ` Rob Landley
2007-05-18 12:35                                 ` Alan Cox
2007-05-18 18:27                                 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-05-17  9:14                       ` Tejun Heo
2007-05-16 12:47                   ` Stephen Clark
2007-05-16 13:49                     ` Francesco Pretto
2007-05-16 23:52                       ` Rob Landley
2007-05-16 11:38                 ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]   ` <fa.7/l6y5w9DWACpMl9PLWnCeZVtaY@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]     ` <fa.jM0Jz2vqE6sFKJ24x7Krs9Md4+Y@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]       ` <fa.htPXmkKzsdLgiNC0YHDJwdgDLHg@ifi.uio.no>
2007-02-23  0:25         ` Robert Hancock
     [not found] <fa.3exEXR8lVInBQnVOUQZm+V7aqZE@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.SUiPva6BdeZMJsAbFE/HC5i0jfs@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]   ` <fa.YdL5PeKPp7ARbGWGIgctXVh/iLQ@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]     ` <fa.xsAgWkCiu+x5MGhvd/b5EHrU+ic@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]       ` <fa.FUWb3SroQ9sotSIAakSnOjAJ6Ks@ifi.uio.no>
2007-02-22 14:34         ` Robert Hancock
     [not found] <fa.Fk9DulKIUBewV0V2B72MDzbelmU@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.RCbhxyLCSR5f65HWabMGmxZNYQ4@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]   ` <fa.G4k+9fbJDE0N5pygu22mRYU6gfE@ifi.uio.no>
2007-02-22  6:27     ` Robert Hancock
2007-02-22  7:11       ` Tejun Heo
2007-02-22 11:33       ` Francesco Pretto
2007-02-21 22:15 Francesco Pretto
2007-02-21 23:55 ` Alan
2007-02-22  1:01   ` Francesco Pretto
2007-02-22 13:53     ` Alan
2007-02-22 15:22       ` Rolf Offermanns
2007-02-22 22:47       ` Francesco Pretto

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