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From: James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>
To: Reinette Chatre <reinette.chatre@intel.com>,
	Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>
Cc: x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Fenghua Yu <fenghua.yu@intel.com>,
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	Dave Martin <dave.martin@arm.com>,
	Shaopeng Tan <tan.shaopeng@jp.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 17/40] x86/resctrl: Rewrite and move the for_each_*_rdt_resource() walkers
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2024 18:07:16 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e6570a61-1608-4baa-9f61-fb87f39a76f6@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <439810ad-92eb-4fa9-be35-82f54624c0c5@intel.com>

Hi Tony, Reinette,

On 08/10/2024 17:40, Reinette Chatre wrote:
> On 10/7/24 5:00 PM, Tony Luck wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 04, 2024 at 06:03:24PM +0000, James Morse wrote:
>>> The for_each_*_rdt_resource() helpers walk the architecture's array
>>> of structures, using the resctrl visible part as an iterator. These
>>> became over-complex when the structures were split into a
>>> filesystem and architecture-specific struct. This approach avoided
>>> the need to touch every call site, and was done before there was a
>>> helper to retrieve a resource by rid.
>>>
>>> Once the filesystem parts of resctrl are moved to /fs/, both the
>>> architecture's resource array, and the definition of those structures
>>> is no longer accessible. To support resctrl, each architecture would
>>> have to provide equally complex macros.
>>>
>>> Rewrite the macro to make use of resctrl_arch_get_resource(), and
>>> move these to the core header so existing x86 arch code continues
>>> to use them.

>> Apologies if this comment was suggested against earlier versions
>> of this series.
>>
>> Did you consider replacing rdt_resources_all[] a list (in the filesystem
>> code) instead of an array (in the architecture code)?

I didn't consider this, but it would be a more natural fit for the secret for loops that
are all over the resctrl code.


>> List would start empty. Architecture init code would enumerate features
>> and add entries to the list for those that exist and are to be enabled.

That saves the 'can't return NULL' wart - but that was intended to be temporary - and only
a headache for !x86 architectures.


>> The "for_each" macros then walk the list (variants for all entries,
>> for "alloc_capable" and for "mon_capable"). Note that only enabled
>> entries appear on the lists.
>>
>> There are currently a bunch of places in filesystem code that
>> do:
>> 	r = resctrl_arch_get_resource(RDT_RESOURCE_MBA);
>> or
>> 	r = resctrl_arch_get_resource(RDT_RESOURCE_L3);
>>
>> those could become:
>>
>> 	r = resctrl_arch_get_mba_resource();
>>
>> 	r = resctrl_arch_get_l3_resource();

Where these walk this list instead of 'knowing' the offset.
(just in case I'm missing a trick here)


>> Then the whole "enum resctrl_res_level" and ->rid field in
>> struct rdt_resource could go away?

I think level is still going to be useful for cache resources - that is something we
expose via the sysfs cpu cache/indexX stuff too. I'd like resctrl to generate the names of
resources - just to ensure they are the same on every architecture.

The rid is an existing field just to make the array searching work.


>> Remaining uses look like
>> distinguishing MBA from SMBA. Perhaps better done with a
>> flags word?
>>
>> Advantage of doing this would be to avoid the generic
>> enum resctrl_res_level having to be a superset of all
>> features across all architectures.

Ah, I see this as an advantage - its much harder for an architecture to add a new type of
control or resource than it is to provide compatibility with one that is already there.
This in turn is better for user-space.

MPAM's bandwidth controls don't have the same control format as Intel RDT - but its much
better for everyone if I convert the values to hide the differences instead of trying to
shoehorn in ARM_MB as a new resource, only to find another architecture grows something
similar.

The difficult bit is making sure new resources/controls are as generic as possible,
meaning other architectures can adopt them. (L3's bitmap is a good example).

(and I agree there will always be platform specific things each camp has)

>> E.g. ARM might want to add L4/L5 resources,

/me shudders.

I've seen folk wanting to add the 'system cache' - which sits where the L3 should be, but
behaves differently. And ACPI's "Memory Side Caches" which gives me a hilarious TLA
collision to navigate).
I've argued neither of these are L<n> caches because they aren't visible to user-space in
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cache ...

[..]

> Ideally resctrl fs would remain as an interface that a user can use to interact
> with all architectures without knowing architecture specific details. Platform
> differences can be exposed by resctrl in a generic way to support this.
> I am afraid that allowing architectures to diverge would require resctrl fs users
> to additionally know which platform they are running on.
> 
>> If this v5 series is close to being applied then I don't
>> want to derail with a re-write at this late stage.
>> All of this could be done as a cleanup after this series
>> has been applied.
> 
> Due to the already significant size of this work I think it would make it easier
> if the number of functional changes are minimal. Specifically, only those functional
> changes that are required to accomplish the goal of moving the code.

Yup - hence the need for !alloc_capable && !mon_capable resources behind
resctrl_arch_get_resource() - this is keeping the behaviour of the existing code.


> Considering that one goal of this proposal is to support architectural
> flexibility I do think it would be easier to understand its impact if it
> is implemented on top of the arch/fs split.

Make sense to me,


Thanks,

James

  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-18 17:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-04 18:03 [PATCH v5 00/40] x86/resctrl: Move the resctrl filesystem code to /fs/resctrl James Morse
2024-10-04 18:03 ` [PATCH v5 01/40] x86/resctrl: Fix allocation of cleanest CLOSID on platforms with no monitors James Morse
2024-10-04 18:03 ` [PATCH v5 02/40] x86/resctrl: Add a helper to avoid reaching into the arch code resource list James Morse
2024-10-15 22:57   ` Tony Luck
2024-10-18 17:07     ` James Morse
2024-10-18 17:14       ` Luck, Tony
2024-10-23 21:03   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-10-04 18:03 ` [PATCH v5 03/40] x86/resctrl: Remove fflags from struct rdt_resource James Morse
2024-10-23 21:03   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-12-20 18:10     ` James Morse
2024-10-04 18:03 ` [PATCH v5 04/40] x86/resctrl: Use schema type to determine how to parse schema values James Morse
2024-10-15 23:15   ` Tony Luck
2024-10-18 17:07     ` James Morse
2024-10-23 21:14   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-12-20 18:10     ` James Morse
2024-10-04 18:03 ` [PATCH v5 05/40] x86/resctrl: Use schema type to determine the schema format string James Morse
2024-10-21 17:39   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-10-04 18:03 ` [PATCH v5 06/40] x86/resctrl: Remove data_width and the tabular format James Morse
2024-10-15 23:29   ` Tony Luck
2024-10-18 17:07     ` James Morse
2024-10-04 18:03 ` [PATCH v5 07/40] x86/resctrl: Add max_bw to struct resctrl_membw James Morse
2024-10-09 18:02   ` Tony Luck
2024-10-23 21:14   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-12-20 18:10     ` James Morse
2024-10-04 18:03 ` [PATCH v5 08/40] x86/resctrl: Generate default_ctrl instead of sharing it James Morse
2024-10-23 21:15   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-07 15:42     ` James Morse
2024-10-04 18:03 ` [PATCH v5 09/40] x86/resctrl: Add helper for setting CPU default properties James Morse
2024-10-04 18:03 ` [PATCH v5 10/40] x86/resctrl: Remove rdtgroup from update_cpu_closid_rmid() James Morse
2024-10-04 18:03 ` [PATCH v5 11/40] x86/resctrl: Export resctrl fs's init function James Morse
2024-10-16 16:20   ` Tony Luck
2024-10-04 18:03 ` [PATCH v5 12/40] x86/resctrl: Wrap resctrl_arch_find_domain() around rdt_find_domain() James Morse
2024-10-23 21:16   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-07 15:42     ` James Morse
2024-10-04 18:03 ` [PATCH v5 13/40] x86/resctrl: Move resctrl types to a separate header James Morse
2024-10-04 18:03 ` [PATCH v5 14/40] x86/resctrl: Add a resctrl helper to reset all the resources James Morse
2024-10-23 21:32   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-07 15:43     ` James Morse
2025-02-13 23:52       ` Reinette Chatre
2024-10-04 18:03 ` [PATCH v5 15/40] x86/resctrl: Move monitor exit work to a resctrl exit call James Morse
2024-10-04 18:03 ` [PATCH v5 16/40] x86/resctrl: Move monitor init work to a resctrl init call James Morse
2024-10-04 18:03 ` [PATCH v5 17/40] x86/resctrl: Rewrite and move the for_each_*_rdt_resource() walkers James Morse
2024-10-08  0:00   ` Tony Luck
2024-10-08 16:40     ` Reinette Chatre
2024-10-18 17:07       ` James Morse [this message]
2024-10-23 21:51   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-07 15:44     ` James Morse
2024-10-04 18:03 ` [PATCH v5 18/40] x86/resctrl: Export the is_mbm_*_enabled() helpers to asm/resctrl.h James Morse
2024-10-23 22:00   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-07 15:44     ` James Morse
2024-10-04 18:03 ` [PATCH v5 19/40] x86/resctrl: Add resctrl_arch_is_evt_configurable() to abstract BMEC James Morse
2024-10-23 22:04   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-07 15:44     ` James Morse
2024-10-04 18:03 ` [PATCH v5 20/40] x86/resctrl: Slightly clean-up mbm_config_show() James Morse
2024-10-16 16:50   ` Tony Luck
2024-10-04 18:03 ` [PATCH v5 21/40] x86/resctrl: Change mon_event_config_{read,write}() to be arch helpers James Morse
2024-10-23 22:19   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-07 15:45     ` James Morse
2024-10-04 18:03 ` [PATCH v5 22/40] x86/resctrl: Move mbm_cfg_mask to struct rdt_resource James Morse
2024-10-23 22:42   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-10-04 18:03 ` [PATCH v5 23/40] x86/resctrl: Add resctrl_arch_ prefix to pseudo lock functions James Morse
2024-10-23 22:44   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-07 15:45     ` James Morse
2024-10-04 18:03 ` [PATCH v5 24/40] x86/resctrl: Allow an architecture to disable pseudo lock James Morse
2024-10-04 18:03 ` [PATCH v5 25/40] x86/resctrl: Make prefetch_disable_bits belong to the arch code James Morse
2024-10-23 22:53   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-07 15:46     ` James Morse
2024-10-04 18:03 ` [PATCH v5 26/40] x86/resctrl: Make resctrl_arch_pseudo_lock_fn() take a plr James Morse
2024-10-04 18:03 ` [PATCH v5 27/40] x86/resctrl: Move thread_throttle_mode_init() to be managed by resctrl James Morse
2024-10-23 22:59   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-10 13:22     ` James Morse
2024-10-04 18:03 ` [PATCH v5 28/40] x86/resctrl: Move get_config_index() to a header James Morse
2024-10-04 18:03 ` [PATCH v5 29/40] x86/resctrl: Claim get_{mon,ctrl}_domain_from_cpu() helpers for resctrl James Morse
2024-10-23 23:02   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-10-04 18:03 ` [PATCH v5 30/40] x86/resctrl: Describe resctrl's bitmap size assumptions James Morse
2024-10-08 18:50   ` Tony Luck
2025-02-07 15:46     ` James Morse
2024-10-04 18:03 ` [PATCH v5 31/40] x86/resctrl: Rename resctrl_sched_in() to begin with "resctrl_arch_" James Morse
2024-10-04 18:03 ` [PATCH v5 32/40] x86/resctrl: resctrl_exit() teardown resctrl but leave the mount point James Morse
2024-10-23 23:50   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-07 15:54     ` James Morse
2024-10-04 18:03 ` [PATCH v5 33/40] x86/resctrl: Drop __init/__exit on assorted symbols James Morse
2024-10-23 23:56   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-07 15:54     ` James Morse
2024-10-04 18:03 ` [PATCH v5 34/40] x86/resctrl: Move is_mba_sc() out of core.c James Morse
2024-10-04 18:03 ` [PATCH v5 35/40] x86/resctrl: Add end-marker to the resctrl_event_id enum James Morse
2024-10-04 18:03 ` [PATCH v5 36/40] x86/resctrl: Remove a newline to avoid confusing the code move script James Morse
2024-10-04 18:03 ` [PATCH v5 37/40] x86/resctrl: Split trace.h James Morse
2024-10-04 18:03 ` [PATCH v5 38/40] fs/resctrl: Add boiler plate for external resctrl code James Morse
2024-10-08 23:03   ` Tony Luck
2024-10-24  0:08   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-07 15:54     ` James Morse
2024-10-04 18:03 ` [PATCH v5 39/40] x86/resctrl: Move the filesystem bits to headers visible to fs/resctrl James Morse
2024-10-04 18:03 ` [PATCH v5 40/40] x86/resctrl: Add python script to move resctrl code to /fs/resctrl James Morse
2024-10-08 23:08   ` Tony Luck
2024-10-24  0:17     ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-07 15:55       ` James Morse
2024-10-04 21:18 ` [PATCH v5 00/40] x86/resctrl: Move the resctrl filesystem " Reinette Chatre
2024-10-07 17:29   ` James Morse
2024-10-08 23:24 ` Tony Luck
2024-10-17 17:43 ` Tony Luck
2024-12-06  7:17 ` Shaopeng Tan (Fujitsu)

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