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From: Alexander Lobakin <aleksander.lobakin@intel.com>
To: David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com>
Cc: Tzu-Ching Yang <shingekinocore@gmail.com>,
	Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>,
	"Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>,
	"Jose E. Marchesi" <jose.marchesi@oracle.com>,
	"Jakub Kicinski" <kuba@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Simon Horman" <horms@kernel.org>,
	Maciej Fijalkowski <maciej.fijalkowski@intel.com>,
	<linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] unroll: Make unrolled, unrolled_full and unrolled_none function-like
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2026 16:53:48 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ec1c6f33-ce75-41d7-a7b1-3f9a56c74d4e@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261023173845.2ca86a63@pumpkin>

From: David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2026 17:38:45 +0100

> On Fri, 23 Oct 2026 15:42:28 +0200
> Alexander Lobakin <aleksander.lobakin@intel.com> wrote:
> 
>> From: Tzu-Ching Yang <shingekinocore@gmail.com>
>> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2026 19:09:59 +0800
>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2026 at 10:01:40AM +0100, David Laight wrote:  
>>>> Is it possible to make the syntax:
>>>> 	unrolled_for(....)
>>>>
>>>> Or is that made 'all hard and difficult' because he setting is sticky?  
>>>
>>> The pragma binds only to the loop that follows it, so it can go inside
>>> the macro:
>>>
>>> #define unrolled_full_for(...) \
>>> 	__pick_unrolled(clang loop unroll(full), GCC unroll 65534) \
>>> 	for (__VA_ARGS__)
>>>
>>> 	unrolled_full_for (int i = 0, j = 7; i < 8; i++, j--)
>>> 		s += a[i] * b[j];
>>>
>>> GCC 8 to 16 and Clang 17 to 23 unroll this fully, and the same works
>>> with break and continue in the body, nested loops and a loop inside
>>> another macro. The count form has the same shape:
>>>
>>> 	unrolled_count_for (4, int i = 0; i < n; i++)
>>> 		s += a[i];
>>>
>>> As a fourth option, the _for forms would replace the four unrolled*
>>> macros: no clash with identifiers, and the loop reads like
>>> for_each_*(); the cost is a new loop spelling at every user. Olek,
>>> Eric, would you prefer this over options 1 to 3 from my earlier reply?  
>>
>> I had considered this option in the past, but IIRC the unrolled
>> attribute can also apply to `while` etc, this would limit it to
>> `for` only.
> 
> Is that really useful?
> Partially unrolling a variable iteration count loop most likely just
> trashes the I-cache.
> (The unroll can't use simd instructions because they aren't normally
> available in kernel - ok, some cpu have a 'load pair'.)

In XSk xmit code, we have loops with the number of iterations being a
variable (number of packets queued by the userspace program), but using
unrolling by 8 packets helps there a lot if iterations are really
independent from each other (except the counter itself).
Pick a lower or bigger value and the performance (which can sometimes
reach 90 Mpps if everything is optimized to the top) will drop,
`unrolled_full` is not an option (not a compile-time constant), leave it
without any manual unrolling and the compiler won't do anything ('cause
not a compile-time constant).

> The only exception is very short loops where unrolling once can help
> because the cpu cant execute a single clock loop.
> The compiler is likely to make a pigs breakfast of those loops
> so they end up in asm anyway - look at the xor parity code.
Thanks,
Olek

      reply	other threads:[~2026-10-26 15:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-16  2:56 Tzu-Ching Yang
2026-10-20 15:54 ` Eric Biggers
2026-10-21 15:02 ` Alexander Lobakin
2026-10-21 23:16   ` Tzu-Ching Yang
2026-10-22  9:01   ` David Laight
2026-10-22 11:09     ` Tzu-Ching Yang
2026-10-23 13:42       ` Alexander Lobakin
2026-10-23 16:38         ` David Laight
2026-10-26 15:53           ` Alexander Lobakin [this message]

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