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From: Kyle Moffett <kyle@moffetthome.net>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	James Carter <jwcart2@tycho.nsa.gov>,
	Eric Paris <eparis@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, selinux@tycho.nsa.gov,
	Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>,
	spender@grsecurity.net, Daniel J Walsh <dwalsh@redhat.com>,
	cl@linux-foundation.org, Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	kees@outflux.net, Chad Sellers <csellers@tresys.com>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>,
	mingo@elte.hu
Subject: Re: mmap_min_addr and your local LSM (ok, just SELinux)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:28:09 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f73f7ab80907272028y3b9451b4s4997308b6d9ec79a@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090728011943.589176cb@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 20:19, Alan Cox<alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> wrote:
> A dumb question perhaps, but while addling my brain over the tty layer I
> was wondering if for the specific case of jump through NULL (which seems
> to be the most common but by no means only problem case that gets
> exploited) is there any reason we can't set a default breakpoint for
> executing 0 and fix that up as a trap in the kernel ?
>
> Even user code that needs zero page mapped such as BIOS hackery doesn't
> actually jump through zero often if ever, and would be a userspace not a
> kernel space trap source so could be fixed up.
>
> Just a random "I've been staring at code too long today" thought ?

Alternatively, since such emulation code is almost certainly not
performance sensitive, perhaps it's possible to go the kmemcheck-style
route?  We could probably "allow" userspace mappings of pages below
mmap_min_addr for unprivileged processes by trapping and
single-stepping the appropriate memory access instructions.

Every time anything tries to access that memory it would trigger a
fault; if the code is in kernel space we BUG() and dump a nastygram to
dmesg.  For anything else, we either temporarily map the page and
single-step or simply emulate the instruction.  Sure, it might be slow
as hell... but the unprivileged use-cases seem to be few and
far-between.

Cheers,
Kyle Moffett

  reply	other threads:[~2009-07-28  3:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-07-20 23:23 Eric Paris
2009-07-21  0:14 ` Christopher Pardy
2009-07-21 13:41   ` Daniel J Walsh
2009-07-21  3:45 ` James Morris
2009-07-21 14:44   ` James Carter
2009-07-22 10:06     ` James Morris
2009-07-28  0:19       ` Alan Cox
2009-07-28  3:28         ` Kyle Moffett [this message]
2009-07-28  9:21         ` Andi Kleen
2009-07-28 10:00           ` Alan Cox
2009-07-28 11:21             ` Andi Kleen
2009-07-28 13:35               ` Brad Spengler
2009-07-28 14:48                 ` Andi Kleen
2009-07-28 15:56           ` Kees Cook
2009-07-28 16:23             ` Andi Kleen
2009-07-21  3:48 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-07-21 11:51   ` Brad Spengler
2009-07-21  4:13 ` Kyle McMartin
2009-07-21 11:31   ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-07-30  9:06 ` Pavel Machek

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