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From: Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>
To: Shijie Huang <shijie@amperemail.onmicrosoft.com>,
	Huang Shijie <shijie@os.amperecomputing.com>,
	mingo@redhat.com, peterz@infradead.org, juri.lelli@redhat.com,
	vincent.guittot@linaro.org
Cc: patches@amperecomputing.com, cl@linux.com,
	Shubhang@os.amperecomputing.com, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	bsegall@google.com, mgorman@suse.de,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, vschneid@redhat.com,
	vineethr@linux.ibm.com, kprateek.nayak@amd.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 2/2] sched: update the rq->avg_idle when a task is moved to an idle CPU
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2025 17:15:59 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f898a0f0-8b77-4a71-be3b-c74267de0bde@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <99c18623-4533-4dde-a765-ea43c85ee02f@amperemail.onmicrosoft.com>

On 15.12.25 10:35, Shijie Huang wrote:
> 
> On 12/12/2025 22:22, Dietmar Eggemann wrote:
>>>> So you could move (1) back to (2) avoiding the 'if rq->idle_stamp' for
>>>> the sched_change pattern for instance?
>>> Could you please tell me what is "avoiding the 'if rq->idle_stamp' for
>>> the sched_change pattern" ?
>>>
>>> Sorry, I do not understand your meaning.
>> sched_change uses dequeue_task()/enqueue_task() for a queued task to
>> change prio, policy, sched params, taskgroups, etc.
> 
> For sched_change, the dequeue_task()/enqueue_task() only work when
> 
> the queued task has TASK_ON_RQ_QUEUED flags. The TASK_ON_RQ_QUEUED
> 
> is set in activate_task().

I guess this was a misunderstanding. It works because of 'if
(rq->idle_stamp)' and setting 'rq->idle_stamp = 0' within the condition
but this condition isn't worth checking in certain places where we
actually call enqueue_task(). >
>   1.) For this active task, if the sched_change makes it dequeue_task()/
> enqueue_task() on
> 
>       current CPU, it's okay. Since current CPU is not in the newidle,
> the "rq->idle_stamp" is 0 at this case.
> 
>       This patch works fine.
> 
> 
>  2.) For this active task, if the sched_change makes it dequeue_task()/
> enqueue_task() on an another CPU,
> 
>       it's okay too.
> 
>          2.1) If the another CPU's idle_stamp is 0, the another CPU is
> busy now.
> 
>                  The sched_change works fine with this patch.
> 
>          2.2) If the another CPU's idle_stamp is not 0, the sched_change
> also works fine with this patch.
> 
>                 Since the sched_change is breaking the idle state of the
> another CPU by moving an active
> 
>                 task to an idle CPU. It makes sense.

Not sure about this. I thought so far that the sched_change pattern is
doing a task dequeue + enqueue on the same CPU (this CPU or other)? So
you can't come out of idle here. We lock the rq before we call
scoped_guard (sched_change, ...)

I think Vincent is right by saying the update_rq_avg_idle() should be
put into put_prev_task_idle() instead.

Still waiting for the DCPerf Mediawiki test results to see if this
change fixes my 'rq->avg_idle being too big' issue.



  reply	other threads:[~2025-12-17 16:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-12-09  9:45 [PATCH v6 0/2] " Huang Shijie
2025-12-09  9:45 ` [PATCH v6 1/2] sched/fair: set rq->idle_stamp at the end of the sched_balance_newidle Huang Shijie
2025-12-09  9:45 ` [PATCH v6 2/2] sched: update the rq->avg_idle when a task is moved to an idle CPU Huang Shijie
2025-12-11 16:15   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2025-12-12  3:16     ` Shijie Huang
2025-12-12 14:22       ` Dietmar Eggemann
2025-12-15  9:35         ` Shijie Huang
2025-12-17 16:15           ` Dietmar Eggemann [this message]
2026-01-07 15:48             ` Dietmar Eggemann
2026-01-09 13:33               ` Vincent Guittot
2025-12-13  1:36   ` Vincent Guittot
2025-12-16  6:22     ` Shijie Huang
2025-12-16  7:17       ` Vincent Guittot
2025-12-16  7:38         ` Shijie Huang
2025-12-16  8:47           ` Vincent Guittot
2025-12-16  9:49             ` Shijie Huang

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