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From: Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: "Hillf Danton" <hdanton@sina.com>, 马振华 <mazhenhua@xiaomi.com>,
	mingo <mingo@redhat.com>, will <will@kernel.org>,
	"boqun.feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [BUG]locking/rwsem: only clean RWSEM_FLAG_HANDOFF when already set
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2021 15:45:30 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fae2008b-2cca-b483-6b40-d4b95da007d3@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20211111203500.GI174703@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net>


On 11/11/21 15:35, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 02:36:52PM -0500, Waiman Long wrote:
>> On 11/11/21 14:20, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>>> On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 02:14:48PM -0500, Waiman Long wrote:
>>>> As for the PHASE_CHANGE name, we have to be consistent in both rwsem and
>>>> mutex. Maybe a follow up patch if you think we should change the
>>>> terminology.
>>> Well, that's exactly the point, they do radically different things.
>>> Having the same name for two different things is confusing.
>>>
>>> Anyway, let me go read that patch you sent.
>> My understanding of handoff is to disable optimistic spinning to let waiters
>> in the wait queue have an opportunity to acquire the lock. There are
>> difference in details on how to do that in mutex and rwsem, though.
> Ah, but the mutex does an actual hand-off, it hands the lock to a
> specific waiting task. That is, unlock() sets owner, as opposed to
> trylock().
>
> The rwsem code doesn't, it just forces a phase change. Once a waiter has
> been blocked too long, the handoff bit is set, causing new readers to be
> blocked. Then we wait for existing readers to complete. At that point,
> any next waiter (most likely a writer) should really get the lock (and
> in that regards the rwsem code is a bit funny).
>
> So while both ensure fairness, the means of doing so is quite different.
> One hands the lock ownership to a specific waiter, the other arranges
> for a quiescent state such that the next waiter can proceed.

That is a valid argument. However, the name PHASE_CHANGE sounds weird to 
me. I am not objecting to changing the term, but probably with a better 
name NO_OPTSPIN, NO_LOCKSTEALING or something like that to emphasize 
that fact that optimistic spinning or lock stealing should not be allowed.

Anyway, it will be a follow-up patch.

Cheers,
Longman



  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-11-11 20:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <4fafad133b074f279dbab1aa3642e23f@xiaomi.com>
2021-11-07  3:25 ` Waiman Long
2021-11-07  3:28   ` Waiman Long
     [not found] ` <20211107090131.1535-1-hdanton@sina.com>
2021-11-07 15:24   ` Waiman Long
2021-11-07 19:52     ` Waiman Long
2021-11-10 21:38       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-11  2:42         ` Maria Yu
2021-11-11 15:08         ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-11 19:14           ` Waiman Long
2021-11-11 19:20             ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-11 19:36               ` Waiman Long
2021-11-11 19:52                 ` Waiman Long
2021-11-11 20:26                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-11 21:01                   ` Waiman Long
2021-11-11 21:25                     ` Waiman Long
2021-11-11 21:53                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-11 21:55                         ` Waiman Long
2021-11-11 22:00                           ` Waiman Long
2021-11-11 21:38                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-11 21:46                       ` Waiman Long
2021-11-11 20:35                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-11 20:39                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-11 20:45                   ` Waiman Long [this message]
2021-11-11 21:27                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-11 21:54                       ` Waiman Long
2021-11-11 20:50                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-11 21:09                   ` Waiman Long

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