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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Cc: seanjc@google.com, x86@kernel.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	"Bae, Chang Seok" <chang.seok.bae@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] x86/fpu: Clear XSTATE_BV[i] in save state whenever XFD[i]=1
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2026 19:26:22 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fcd329da-b24a-484b-85df-c3e1c2616a53@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f130ac18-708a-4074-b031-9599006786d3@intel.com>

On 1/15/26 19:19, Dave Hansen wrote:
> Is there anything preventing the kernel_fpu_begin() interrupt from
> happening a little later, say:
> 
> 	XFD[18]=0
> 	...
> 	XFD[18]=1
> 	# Interrupt (that does XSAVE)
> 	XRSTOR (no #NM)
> 	
> In that case, the XSAVE in kernel_fpu_begin() "operates as if XINUSE[i]
> = 0" and would set XFEATURES[18]=0; it would save the component as being
> in its init state. The later XRSTOR would obviously restore state 18 to
> its init state.

Yes, absolutely, and the fact that the race window is so small is why 
this issue stayed undetected for years.  In fact, consider that XFD 
becomes a pass-through MSR after the first write, at which point there's 
on race window at all---XFD[18] will be 1 if that's the guest value and 
the state will be destroyed.

I only mentioned SMIs as a way for this to happen on bare metal, i.e. 
without KVM involvement at all (though for dual-monitor treatment 
virtualization _is_ involved).

> That's a long-winded way of saying I think I agree with the patch. It
> destroys the state a bit more aggressively but it doesn't do anything _new_.

Thanks. :)

> What would folks think about making the SDM language stronger, or at
> least explicitly adding the language that setting XFD[i]=1 can lead to
> XINUSE[i] going from 1=>0. Kinda like the language that's already in
> "XRSTOR and the Init and Modified Optimizations", but specific to XFD:
> 
> 	If XFD[i] = 1 and XINUSE[i] = 1, state component i may be
> 	tracked as init; XINUSE[i] may be set to 0.
> 
> That would make it consistent with the KVM behavior. It might also give
> the CPU folks some additional wiggle room for new behavior.
Yes, absolutely.  I think any other hypervisor may want to do the same, 
to avoid save/restores of tile data to when guest XFD[18]=1 (and to 
avoid unnecessary clearing of XFD, just for the sake of storing tile 
data that is most likely unused).

Paolo


  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-15 18:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-01  9:05 [PATCH v2 0/4] x86, fpu/kvm: fix crash with AMX Paolo Bonzini
2026-01-01  9:05 ` [PATCH 1/4] x86/fpu: Clear XSTATE_BV[i] in save state whenever XFD[i]=1 Paolo Bonzini
2026-01-03  2:06   ` Yao Yuan
2026-01-05 17:31     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06  5:25       ` Yao Yuan
2026-01-06  0:54   ` Jim Mattson
2026-01-06  1:17     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 17:56       ` Jim Mattson
2026-01-15 16:07         ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-15 16:12           ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-01-15 16:27             ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-07  0:28   ` Chang S. Bae
2026-01-07 22:33     ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-01-08  3:06   ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-08 16:26     ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-01-15 15:54   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-15 16:22     ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-01-15 18:19       ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-15 18:26         ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2026-01-15 23:43         ` Chang S. Bae
2026-01-01  9:05 ` [PATCH 2/4] selftests: kvm: replace numbered sync points with actions Paolo Bonzini
2026-01-06  0:02   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-07 22:28     ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-01-08 20:26       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-01  9:05 ` [PATCH 3/4] selftests: kvm: try getting XFD and XSAVE state out of sync Paolo Bonzini
2026-01-01  9:05 ` [PATCH 4/4] selftests: kvm: Verify TILELOADD actually #NM faults when XFD[18]=1 Paolo Bonzini
2026-01-06  1:18 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] x86, fpu/kvm: fix crash with AMX Sean Christopherson
2026-01-15 12:22 ` Borislav Petkov
2026-01-15 13:49   ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-01-15 16:39     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-15 17:05       ` Borislav Petkov
2026-01-15 17:12         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 12:22 ` Borislav Petkov
2026-01-21 11:35   ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-01-22 11:12     ` Borislav Petkov
2026-01-22 12:00       ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-01-23 13:23         ` Borislav Petkov

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