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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Pierre Ossman <drzeus-list@drzeus.cx>
Cc: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Mel Gorman <mel@skynet.ie>,
	William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>,
	David Chinner <dgc@sgi.com>, Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	Badari Pulavarty <pbadari@gmail.com>,
	Maxim Levitsky <maximlevitsky@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 09:39:48 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m17irwfqyj.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4633283C.2000301@drzeus.cx> (Pierre Ossman's message of "Sat, 28 Apr 2007 12:55:56 +0200")

Pierre Ossman <drzeus-list@drzeus.cx> writes:

> Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>> 
>> I have a hard time believe that device hardware limits don't allow them
>> to have enough space to handle larger requests.  If so it was a poor
>> design by the hardware manufacturers.
>> 
>
> In the MMC layer, the block size is a major bottle neck. None of the currently
> supported hardware supports scatter/gather so we're restricted to servicing a
> single continuous chunk of memory at a time. And since latency is substantial
> for MMC/SD, good performance is several orders above 4k. We get ~8 MB/s for
> cards which are supposed to do 20 MB/s (which has been tested against other
> systems where we can get larger memory chunks), and the peasants are getting a
> bit unruly.
>
> I plan to experiment with some bounce buffer scheme to get performance up, but
> getting large blocks directly would make such hacks unnecessary.

My problem with the proposed scheme is not that it uses large pages,
but rather that it requires large pages.  So in the mmc case you would
go from getting 20MB/s soon after the system booted to failing to be
able to do I/O at all a couple of days later when memory gets
fragmented.

I think a reliable 8MB/s is much better than an unreliable 20MB/s.

With your bounce buffer scheme it seems probable that we can even
get a reliable 20MB/s.

So I'm interested to hear that we have several in tree users that
could benefit.

I do think large block support if we don't require large pages makes
sense.

Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2007-04-28 15:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 235+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-24 22:21 clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [01/17] Remove open coded implementation of memclear_highpage flush clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [02/17] Fix page allocation flags in grow_dev_page() clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [03/17] Fix: find_or_create_page does not spread memory clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [04/17] Free up page->private for compound pages clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [05/17] More compound page features clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [06/17] Fix up handling of Compound head pages clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [07/17] vmstat.c: Support accounting for compound pages clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [08/17] Define functions for page cache handling clameter
2007-04-24 23:00   ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-25  6:27     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [09/17] Convert PAGE_CACHE_xxx -> page_cache_xxx function calls clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [10/17] Variable Order Page Cache: Add clearing and flushing function clameter
2007-04-26  7:02   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26  8:14     ` David Chinner
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [11/17] Readahead support for the variable order page cache clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [12/17] Variable Page Cache Size: Fix up reclaim counters clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [13/17] set_blocksize: Allow to set a larger block size than PAGE_SIZE clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [14/17] Add VM_BUG_ONs to check for correct page order clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [15/17] ramfs: Variable order page cache support clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [16/17] ext2: " clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [17/17] xfs: " clameter
2007-04-25  0:46 ` [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3 Jörn Engel
2007-04-25  0:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-25  3:11 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-25 11:35 ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-25 15:36   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-25 17:53     ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-25 18:03       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-25 18:05         ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-25 18:14           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-25 18:16             ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-25 13:28 ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-25 15:23   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-25 22:46 ` Badari Pulavarty
2007-04-26  1:14   ` David Chinner
2007-04-26  1:17     ` David Chinner
2007-04-26  4:51 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26  5:05   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26  5:44     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26  6:37       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26  9:16         ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-26  6:38       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26  6:46         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26  6:57           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26  7:10             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26  7:22               ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26  7:34                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26  7:48                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26  9:20                     ` David Chinner
2007-04-26 13:53                       ` Avi Kivity
2007-04-26 14:33                         ` David Chinner
2007-04-26 14:56                           ` Avi Kivity
2007-04-26 15:20                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 17:42                         ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 18:59                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 16:07                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-27 10:05                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-27 13:06                         ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-26 13:50                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-26 18:09                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 23:34                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-26  7:48                 ` Questions on printk and console_drivers gshan
2007-04-26 10:06           ` [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3 Mel Gorman
2007-04-26 14:47             ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 15:58         ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-26 16:05           ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 16:16             ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-26 13:28       ` Alan Cox
2007-04-26 13:30         ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-29 14:12         ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-28 10:55       ` Pierre Ossman
2007-04-28 15:39         ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2007-04-26  5:37   ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26  6:38     ` David Chinner
2007-04-26  6:50       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26  8:40         ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-26  8:55           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 10:30             ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-26 10:54               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 12:23                 ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-26 17:58                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 18:02                   ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 16:11         ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-26 17:49           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 18:03             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 18:03               ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 18:09                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-26 18:12                   ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 18:24                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-26 18:24                       ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 18:28                     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 18:29                       ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 18:35                         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 18:39                           ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 19:35                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 19:42                               ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-27  4:05                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-27 10:26                                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-27 13:51                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 20:22                             ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-27  0:21                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-27  5:16                               ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-27 10:38           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 10:10       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 13:50         ` David Chinner
2007-04-26 14:40           ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-26 15:38           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 15:58             ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-27  9:46               ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-27  0:19           ` Jeremy Higdon
2007-04-26 18:07         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 18:45           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 18:59             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 19:21               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26  6:40     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26  6:53       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26  7:04         ` David Chinner
2007-04-26  7:07           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26  7:11             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26  7:17               ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26  7:28                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26  7:45                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 18:10                     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27 10:08                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26  7:07         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26  7:15           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26  7:22             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26  7:42               ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 10:48                 ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-26 12:37                 ` Andy Whitcroft
2007-04-26 14:18                   ` David Chinner
2007-04-26 15:08                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 15:19                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-26 15:28                     ` David Chinner
2007-04-26 14:53                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-26 18:16                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 18:21                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-27  0:32                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-27 10:22                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-27 12:58                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-27 13:06                           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-27 14:49                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-26 18:13                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27 10:15                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 14:49               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-26 18:50 ` Maxim Levitsky
2007-04-27  2:04 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27  2:27   ` David Chinner
2007-04-27  2:53     ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27  3:47       ` [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3 (mmap conceptual discussion) Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27  4:20       ` [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3 David Chinner
2007-04-27  5:15         ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27  5:49           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27  6:55             ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27  7:19               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27  7:26                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27  8:37                   ` David Chinner
2007-04-27 12:01                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27 16:36                   ` David Chinner
2007-04-27 17:34                     ` David Chinner
2007-04-27 19:11                       ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28  1:43                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-28  8:04                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-28  8:22                             ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28  8:32                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-28  8:55                                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28  9:36                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-28 14:09                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-28 18:26                                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28 19:19                                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-28 21:28                                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28  3:17                         ` David Chinner
2007-04-28  3:49                           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-28  4:56                           ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28  5:08                             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-28  5:36                               ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28  6:24                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-28  6:52                                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-30  5:30                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-28  9:43                             ` Alan Cox
2007-04-28  9:58                               ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28 10:21                                 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-28 10:25                                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28 11:29                                     ` Alan Cox
2007-04-28 14:37                                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-27  7:22               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27  7:29                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27  7:35                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27  7:43                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27 11:05               ` Paul Mackerras
2007-04-27 11:41                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-27 12:12                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27 12:25                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-27 13:39                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-28  2:27                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-28  2:39                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-28  2:50                             ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-28  3:16                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-28  8:16                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-27 16:48                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27 13:37                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-27 12:14                   ` Paul Mackerras
2007-04-27 12:36                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-27 13:42                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-27 11:58                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27 13:44               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-27 19:15                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28  2:21                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-27  6:09           ` David Chinner
2007-04-27  7:04             ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27  8:03               ` David Chinner
2007-04-27  8:48                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27 16:45                   ` Theodore Tso
2007-05-04 13:33                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-05-07  4:29                       ` David Chinner
2007-05-07  4:48                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-05-07  5:27                           ` David Chinner
2007-05-07  6:43                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-05-07  6:49                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-07  7:06                                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-08  8:49                                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-07 16:06                               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-07 17:29                                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-04 12:57                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-05-04 13:31                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-05-04 16:11                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-07  4:58                   ` David Chinner
2007-05-07  6:56                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-05-07 15:17                       ` Weigert, Daniel
2007-04-27 16:55           ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-27 17:32             ` Nicholas Miell
2007-04-27 18:12               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-28 16:39 ` Maxim Levitsky
2007-04-30  5:23   ` Christoph Lameter

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