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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
Cc: David Chinner <dgc@sgi.com>,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Mel Gorman <mel@skynet.ie>,
	William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>,
	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	Badari Pulavarty <pbadari@gmail.com>,
	Maxim Levitsky <maximlevitsky@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 13:21:50 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1mz0vj60h.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0704261155100.11420@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com> (Christoph Lameter's message of "Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:59:43 -0700 (PDT)")

Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com> writes:

> On Thu, 26 Apr 2007, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>
>> If you can make small things go fast, everything speeds up.
>> If you can only make big things go fast only some things speed up.
>> 
>> I want to make small things go fast so everything speeds up.
>
> A reductionist operating system theory? Have you ever heard of emergent 
> properties? A system comprised of pieces can as a whole exibit other 
> characteristics than the basic elements would provide.
>
> I think it is wrong to use the same small things for big things. You 
> would not tow a tanker with your bicycle. Similarly you could use small 
> pages for text files but huge page sizes when you need to transfer 
> gigabytes or terabytes of memory. Its wrong to dictate ones size fits 
> all. (Memories of my relatives in the eastern bloc surface but I better shut
> up.)

Think of it like designing a cpu.  Which would you rather have a
faster clock rate or a new instruction say floating point multiply-accumulate
that means you theoretically double your floating point computation speed 
at a cost of reducing your clock rate?

Up to the limit of it being possible you get more bang out of improving
the little things.  CPUs unfortunately pretty much hit the limit of
improving clock rates.

I don't think we are at the limit of making small things like syscalls,
and pages go fast.

Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2007-04-26 19:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 235+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-24 22:21 clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [01/17] Remove open coded implementation of memclear_highpage flush clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [02/17] Fix page allocation flags in grow_dev_page() clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [03/17] Fix: find_or_create_page does not spread memory clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [04/17] Free up page->private for compound pages clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [05/17] More compound page features clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [06/17] Fix up handling of Compound head pages clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [07/17] vmstat.c: Support accounting for compound pages clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [08/17] Define functions for page cache handling clameter
2007-04-24 23:00   ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-25  6:27     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [09/17] Convert PAGE_CACHE_xxx -> page_cache_xxx function calls clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [10/17] Variable Order Page Cache: Add clearing and flushing function clameter
2007-04-26  7:02   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26  8:14     ` David Chinner
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [11/17] Readahead support for the variable order page cache clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [12/17] Variable Page Cache Size: Fix up reclaim counters clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [13/17] set_blocksize: Allow to set a larger block size than PAGE_SIZE clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [14/17] Add VM_BUG_ONs to check for correct page order clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [15/17] ramfs: Variable order page cache support clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [16/17] ext2: " clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [17/17] xfs: " clameter
2007-04-25  0:46 ` [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3 Jörn Engel
2007-04-25  0:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-25  3:11 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-25 11:35 ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-25 15:36   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-25 17:53     ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-25 18:03       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-25 18:05         ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-25 18:14           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-25 18:16             ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-25 13:28 ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-25 15:23   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-25 22:46 ` Badari Pulavarty
2007-04-26  1:14   ` David Chinner
2007-04-26  1:17     ` David Chinner
2007-04-26  4:51 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26  5:05   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26  5:44     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26  6:37       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26  9:16         ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-26  6:38       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26  6:46         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26  6:57           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26  7:10             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26  7:22               ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26  7:34                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26  7:48                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26  9:20                     ` David Chinner
2007-04-26 13:53                       ` Avi Kivity
2007-04-26 14:33                         ` David Chinner
2007-04-26 14:56                           ` Avi Kivity
2007-04-26 15:20                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 17:42                         ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 18:59                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 16:07                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-27 10:05                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-27 13:06                         ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-26 13:50                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-26 18:09                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 23:34                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-26  7:48                 ` Questions on printk and console_drivers gshan
2007-04-26 10:06           ` [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3 Mel Gorman
2007-04-26 14:47             ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 15:58         ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-26 16:05           ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 16:16             ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-26 13:28       ` Alan Cox
2007-04-26 13:30         ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-29 14:12         ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-28 10:55       ` Pierre Ossman
2007-04-28 15:39         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26  5:37   ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26  6:38     ` David Chinner
2007-04-26  6:50       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26  8:40         ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-26  8:55           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 10:30             ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-26 10:54               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 12:23                 ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-26 17:58                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 18:02                   ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 16:11         ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-26 17:49           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 18:03             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 18:03               ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 18:09                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-26 18:12                   ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 18:24                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-26 18:24                       ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 18:28                     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 18:29                       ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 18:35                         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 18:39                           ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 19:35                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 19:42                               ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-27  4:05                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-27 10:26                                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-27 13:51                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 20:22                             ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-27  0:21                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-27  5:16                               ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-27 10:38           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 10:10       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 13:50         ` David Chinner
2007-04-26 14:40           ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-26 15:38           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 15:58             ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-27  9:46               ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-27  0:19           ` Jeremy Higdon
2007-04-26 18:07         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 18:45           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 18:59             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 19:21               ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2007-04-26  6:40     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26  6:53       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26  7:04         ` David Chinner
2007-04-26  7:07           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26  7:11             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26  7:17               ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26  7:28                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26  7:45                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 18:10                     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27 10:08                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26  7:07         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26  7:15           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26  7:22             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26  7:42               ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 10:48                 ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-26 12:37                 ` Andy Whitcroft
2007-04-26 14:18                   ` David Chinner
2007-04-26 15:08                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 15:19                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-26 15:28                     ` David Chinner
2007-04-26 14:53                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-26 18:16                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 18:21                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-27  0:32                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-27 10:22                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-27 12:58                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-27 13:06                           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-27 14:49                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-26 18:13                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27 10:15                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 14:49               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-26 18:50 ` Maxim Levitsky
2007-04-27  2:04 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27  2:27   ` David Chinner
2007-04-27  2:53     ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27  3:47       ` [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3 (mmap conceptual discussion) Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27  4:20       ` [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3 David Chinner
2007-04-27  5:15         ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27  5:49           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27  6:55             ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27  7:19               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27  7:26                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27  8:37                   ` David Chinner
2007-04-27 12:01                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27 16:36                   ` David Chinner
2007-04-27 17:34                     ` David Chinner
2007-04-27 19:11                       ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28  1:43                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-28  8:04                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-28  8:22                             ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28  8:32                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-28  8:55                                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28  9:36                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-28 14:09                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-28 18:26                                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28 19:19                                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-28 21:28                                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28  3:17                         ` David Chinner
2007-04-28  3:49                           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-28  4:56                           ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28  5:08                             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-28  5:36                               ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28  6:24                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-28  6:52                                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-30  5:30                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-28  9:43                             ` Alan Cox
2007-04-28  9:58                               ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28 10:21                                 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-28 10:25                                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28 11:29                                     ` Alan Cox
2007-04-28 14:37                                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-27  7:22               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27  7:29                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27  7:35                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27  7:43                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27 11:05               ` Paul Mackerras
2007-04-27 11:41                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-27 12:12                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27 12:25                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-27 13:39                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-28  2:27                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-28  2:39                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-28  2:50                             ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-28  3:16                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-28  8:16                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-27 16:48                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27 13:37                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-27 12:14                   ` Paul Mackerras
2007-04-27 12:36                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-27 13:42                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-27 11:58                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27 13:44               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-27 19:15                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28  2:21                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-27  6:09           ` David Chinner
2007-04-27  7:04             ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27  8:03               ` David Chinner
2007-04-27  8:48                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27 16:45                   ` Theodore Tso
2007-05-04 13:33                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-05-07  4:29                       ` David Chinner
2007-05-07  4:48                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-05-07  5:27                           ` David Chinner
2007-05-07  6:43                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-05-07  6:49                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-07  7:06                                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-08  8:49                                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-07 16:06                               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-07 17:29                                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-04 12:57                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-05-04 13:31                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-05-04 16:11                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-07  4:58                   ` David Chinner
2007-05-07  6:56                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-05-07 15:17                       ` Weigert, Daniel
2007-04-27 16:55           ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-27 17:32             ` Nicholas Miell
2007-04-27 18:12               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-28 16:39 ` Maxim Levitsky
2007-04-30  5:23   ` Christoph Lameter

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