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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Sam Vilain <sam@vilain.net>
Cc: Andrey Savochkin <saw@swsoft.com>,
	dlezcano@fr.ibm.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, serue@us.ibm.com, haveblue@us.ibm.com,
	clg@fr.ibm.com, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	dev@sw.ru, herbert@13thfloor.at, devel@openvz.org,
	viro@ftp.linux.org.uk, Alexey Kuznetsov <alexey@sw.ru>,
	Mark Huang <mlhuang@CS.Princeton.EDU>
Subject: Re: Network namespaces a path to mergable code.
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:33:48 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1ac7xkifn.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <44A1AF37.3070100@vilain.net> (Sam Vilain's message of "Wed, 28 Jun 2006 10:20:39 +1200")

Sam Vilain <sam@vilain.net> writes:

> It sounds then like it would be a good start to have general socket
> namespaces, if it would merge more easily - perhaps then network device
> namespaces would fall into place more easily.


I guess I really see both sockets and devices as the fundamental
entities of a network namespace.  Sockets need to be tagged because
in the general case there is no guarantee that a socket that you are
using was created in the network namespace of your current process.

In general it is possible to get file descriptors opened by someone
else because unix domain sockets allow file descriptor passing.  Similarly
I think there are cases in both unshare and fork that allows you to sockets
open before you entered a namespace.

Since you can't create a new socket in a different network namespace
I can't see any real problems with allowing them to be used, but they
are something to be careful about in container creation code.

Something to examine here is that if both network devices and sockets
are tagged does that still allow implicit network namespace passing.

Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2006-06-28  4:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-06-26  9:49 [patch 1/4] Network namespaces: cleanup of dev_base list use Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-26  9:52 ` [patch 2/4] " Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-26  9:54   ` [patch 3/4] Network namespaces: IPv4 FIB/routing in namespaces Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-26  9:55     ` [patch 4/4] Network namespaces: playing and debugging Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-26 15:04       ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-26 15:43         ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-26 17:29           ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-26 19:34             ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-26 14:56     ` [patch 3/4] Network namespaces: IPv4 FIB/routing in namespaces Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-26 15:46       ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-26 15:57         ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-26 19:39           ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-26 20:05       ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-27  9:25         ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-28 13:51       ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-28 14:19         ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-28 14:30         ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-28 14:34           ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-06-28 16:56             ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-28 17:10               ` Ben Greear
2006-06-28 15:05         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-26 15:13 ` [RFC][patch 1/4] Network namespaces: cleanup of dev_base list use Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-26 15:42   ` [patch " Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-26 16:26     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-26 20:14       ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-26 21:02         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-27  6:59   ` [RFC][patch " Kirill Korotaev
2006-06-27 11:13     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-27 15:08       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-06-27 15:26         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-06-27 16:54         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-27 17:20 ` [RFC] Network namespaces a path to mergable code Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-27 17:58   ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-27 22:20     ` Sam Vilain
2006-06-28  4:33       ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2006-06-28  5:59         ` Abdallah Chatila
2006-06-28  6:19         ` Sam Vilain
2006-06-28  6:55           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-28  9:54             ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-06-28 14:03               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-28 14:15                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-06-28 14:56                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-28  4:20     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-28 11:06       ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-28 16:51         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-28 17:22           ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-28 17:40             ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-28 17:50             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-28 18:11             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-28 18:14             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-28 18:51               ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-28 21:53         ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-28 22:54           ` James Morris
2006-06-29  0:19             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-29  0:25           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-29  9:42             ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-28 10:20   ` [RFC] " Cedric Le Goater
2006-06-28 15:20     ` Eric W. Biederman

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