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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>,
	Benjamin Thery <benjamin.thery@bull.net>,
	Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>,
	Al Viro <viro@ftp.linux.org.uk>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: sysfs: tagged directories not merged completely yet
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:58:34 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1skr7hphh.fsf@frodo.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48EBFCD3.4050809@kernel.org> (Tejun Heo's message of "Wed, 08 Oct 2008 09:20:35 +0900")

Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org> writes:

> Hmmm... I'm probably missing something (and being lazy) but how does it
> guarantee the validity of the next pointer after dropping the rcu lock?

So in next_tid which is essentially what we would be doing.
I grab the rcu_lock.  Check something to see if the task I have
is still on the list, if it is then I know the next is valid until
the end of the rcu grace period.  Then I follow the next pointer,
and grab the lock again.

rcu is pain to get right but at least it is localized pain.

>> I'm still not certain how we can get the lock ordering so it doesn't
>> cause us problems.  I will look at revalidation and what the other
>> distributed filesystems are doing and see if that might work.  If it
>> doesn't we need refactor the VFS locking.
>
> Yeah, if we can make sysfs behave like other distributed filesystems, it
> would be great.  :-)

I don't think we can make it work but I think we need to exhaust that
avenue before saying that the VFS has to change.

Eric

      reply	other threads:[~2008-10-08  1:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-22 14:31 Benjamin Thery
2008-09-22 15:34 ` Greg KH
2008-09-22 20:24   ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-09-23 14:24   ` Benjamin Thery
2008-09-23 18:23     ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-03 10:13       ` Al Viro
2008-10-05  5:32         ` Greg KH
2008-10-07  8:27           ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-07 10:47             ` [PATCH 0/3] minor sysfs tagged directory fixes Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-07 10:49               ` [PATCH 1/3] sysfs: Remove lock ordering violation in sysfs_chmod_file Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-07 10:51                 ` [PATCH 2/3] sysfs: Fix and sysfs_mv_dir by using lock_rename Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-07 10:52                   ` [PATCH 3/3] sysfs: Take sysfs_mutex when fetching the root inode Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-07 21:21                   ` [PATCH 2/3] sysfs: Fix and sysfs_mv_dir by using lock_rename Dave Hansen
2008-10-07 21:19                 ` [PATCH 1/3] sysfs: Remove lock ordering violation in sysfs_chmod_file Dave Hansen
2008-10-07 22:31                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-07 22:27             ` sysfs: tagged directories not merged completely yet Greg KH
2008-10-07 22:54               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-07 23:39                 ` Greg KH
2008-10-08  0:12                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-08  0:38                     ` Greg KH
2008-10-08 14:18                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-07 23:34               ` Tejun Heo
2008-10-14  1:11                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-14  7:55                   ` Tejun Heo
2008-10-14 12:19                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-15 11:04                       ` Tejun Heo
2008-10-16 21:58                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-14 18:53                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-15  0:48                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-15 13:42                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-15 13:54                           ` Benjamin Thery
2008-10-08  0:39               ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-08  1:29               ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-07  8:08         ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-07  9:01         ` Daniel Lezcano
2008-10-07  9:12         ` Tejun Heo
2008-10-07 11:56           ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-07 12:19             ` Tejun Heo
2008-10-07 23:17               ` Tejun Heo
2008-10-08  0:04                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-08  0:20                   ` Tejun Heo
2008-10-08  0:58                     ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]

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