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From: Oleg Verych <olecom@flower.upol.cz>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Free Linux Driver Development!
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 23:04:15 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <slrnescq4c.90j.olecom@flower.upol.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1605445807@web.de>

> From: devzero web.de
> Newsgroups: gmane.linux.kernel
> Subject: Re: Free Linux Driver Development!
> Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 22:37:33 +0100
> Organization: http://freemail.web.de/
> Archived-At: <http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/489586>

> First off, compliments to this announcement, I liked it very much!
>
> Some comment regarding those "volunteers, waiting to get some real work" :)
>
>> > OK, but why isn't your army of volunteers fixing them?
>
>> They don't know about them, or they don't have the hardware to test?
>> Seriously, let the kernel-janitor's project know about any issues you
>> have and they will be glad to jump on it.  Those people are just
>> chomping a the bit to do something a bit bigger than "compiler warning
>> cleanups" :)
>
> So many times i have seen good ideas brought up, kernel patches being written, posted to lkml, being developed outside mainline for a while and then being forgotten some time later due to lack of energy of some individual to get this into mainline.
>
> If there is an noticeably number of talented programmers (unfortunately, i`m not) , so why not "feeding" them the right way ? Where is those public and transparent and moderated Linux-Kernel "ToDo"- or "Keep an eye on"-list, sorted by priorities, with sort of a "vote for this feature"-button, so those guys have something they can pick up? There is so much great stuff and ideas out there where they could put their work onto or getting involved, it just needs to be found or sort of being "managed" a little bit better.
>
> For myself, i`m waiting for so quite some things to get "one step further", but they are more or less tied to some single individuals, for which you just cannot send some "hey, what`s up with your project"-message every second day. The interest in many nice projects often is quite low and evolution quite slow, but not only because of the fact that they aren`t great, but more because of not getting widely known. It`s not always missing specs, it`s also some missing noise/feedback for different features or missing of some "driving force" to bring things forward. How should one developer know that somebody needs a feature if those who could probably need it don`t request it? Maybe just because of the fact that they even imagine that such feature would be possible ?
>
> Where is those efforts for fixing/integrating fantastic cowloop?
> What about badram/badmem patch ?
> Compressed Ccaching ?
> Somebody helping with development of dm-loop or extend loop.c to support more than 256 devices ?
> Replacement of proprietary, unstable and unelegant vmware-lopp for being able to mount vmware .vmdk files ? Internal Spec for this is open, dm-userspace could be some infrastructure for this, but the author seems to have other priorities....
> dm-cow, zfs-fuse - anybody ?
> Kernel based target for AoE (Ata over Ethernet) ?  (there are two independent implementations, but both got stuck at some early experimental stage) 

A quick answer for philosophers:
  	       <http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7272>

For example, i don't know if somebody volunteered to be a bug-buddy in
google, see Andrew's 2.6.20-rc6-mm1 announcement. It seems no, as he
still forwards bugzilla reports to developers/maintainers.

I myself am new. But anyway, i can write a little bit of HOWTO

-- effectively handle (among others) LKML, to break free from myths,

-- to not afraid emacs as good editor for issues like symbol-searching (TAGS),
   whitespace, spell (typos) and such,

-- having linux tree up-today with small bandwidth: mirrors, patches, quilt

of course if such things prevent people from participating.

[:(ot) As for Greg's message, imho somebody was bored. There is plenty  ;]
[: of work *in* the kernel, not only in drivers/ related part of it...  ;]

> Just my 2 cents. 

So my.


Greetings.
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  reply	other threads:[~2007-02-04 23:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 168+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-02-04 21:37 devzero
2007-02-04 23:04 ` Oleg Verych [this message]
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2007-02-04  6:26 Larry Finger
2007-02-04 10:36 ` Michael Buesch
2007-02-02  4:54 Christoph Bartelmus
2007-01-31 13:06 Nicolas Mailhot
2007-01-31 19:29 ` Francois Romieu
2007-01-31 19:54   ` Auke Kok
2007-01-31 21:33     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-31 21:48       ` Trent Waddington
2007-01-31 20:09   ` Nicolas Mailhot
2007-01-31 20:12 ` Greg KH
2007-01-31 21:15   ` Nicolas Mailhot
2007-02-01  5:50     ` Greg KH
2007-01-31 22:06   ` Dave Jones
2007-01-31 22:08     ` Randy Dunlap
2007-01-31 23:00   ` Theodore Tso
2007-01-31 23:04     ` Randy Dunlap
2007-02-01  1:08       ` Mark Lord
2007-02-01  1:39         ` Lee Revell
2007-02-01 10:08           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-31 23:44     ` Greg KH
2007-02-01  0:07       ` Trent Waddington
2007-02-01  1:58         ` Greg KH
2007-02-01  8:40       ` Nicolas Mailhot
2007-02-01  9:03         ` Trent Waddington
2007-02-01  9:22           ` Nicolas Mailhot
2007-02-01  9:34             ` Trent Waddington
2007-01-31 23:59     ` Lee Revell
2007-02-01 11:43       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-02-14 12:00     ` Pavel Machek
     [not found] <fa.vy0GBdNvEFvgi9ipVzdiBp0FpjI@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.INRmyia9BGp5I+SBT3+o7eNe+vo@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]   ` <fa.JOovioFiqyKNIa9g0QxNLn/pldw@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]     ` <fa.f1ctPsEcBEc59B+Sd5oTTUfDmIs@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]       ` <fa.OyKqe20gDjwobkBZicjVmJ5DPp8@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]         ` <fa.T1Mpk9x9o81uajHKj9J8RE8yM2c@ifi.uio.no>
2007-01-30 23:35           ` Robert Hancock
2007-01-30  1:29 Greg KH
2007-01-30  2:19 ` Rik van Riel
2007-01-30  2:23   ` Greg KH
2007-01-30  7:33 ` Bauke Jan Douma
2007-01-30 19:15   ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 20:42   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-01-30 10:52 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-30 19:14   ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 19:31     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-30 19:46       ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 20:23       ` Diego Calleja
2007-01-30 20:39         ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-31 21:13         ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2007-01-31 21:56           ` Willy Tarreau
2007-01-31 22:04             ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2007-01-30 13:45 ` Florian Weimer
2007-01-30 19:12   ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 19:40     ` Florian Weimer
2007-01-30 19:47       ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 17:30 ` Manu Abraham
2007-01-30 19:11   ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 22:21     ` Manu Abraham
2007-01-30 19:33   ` Bill Davidsen
2007-01-30 19:55     ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 17:45 ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-30 17:55   ` Manu Abraham
2007-01-30 18:20   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-30 18:11     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2007-01-30 19:02     ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-30 19:36       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-30 19:10   ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 19:29     ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-30 19:46       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-30 21:38         ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-30 21:47           ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 22:00             ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-30 22:12               ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-30 22:19                 ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-30 22:39                   ` John W. Linville
2007-01-30 22:23                 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-02-01 13:59                   ` Erik Mouw
2007-02-01 14:45                     ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-02-01 22:39                       ` Erik Mouw
2007-02-01 15:46                   ` Michael Buesch
2007-02-01 16:42                     ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-02-01 17:48                       ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-01-30 22:14               ` Dave Airlie
2007-01-30 22:24                 ` Trent Waddington
2007-01-30 22:41                   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-31 13:34                     ` David Hollis
2007-01-31 17:56                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-31 18:37                         ` Bob Copeland
2007-02-01  5:52                           ` Greg KH
2007-02-04 20:54                         ` Bill Davidsen
2007-01-31 17:50               ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-31 17:55                 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-31 17:58                 ` alan
2007-01-31 18:29                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-31 19:17                     ` alan
2007-01-30 22:08           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-30 22:15             ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-30 23:01               ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-30 22:19         ` Matthieu CASTET
2007-01-30 22:42           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-31  4:02             ` Andrey Borzenkov
2007-01-31 12:49               ` Alan
2007-01-31 18:37                 ` Andrey Borzenkov
2007-01-30 23:03           ` Alan
2007-01-31 17:03         ` Eric Sandeen
2007-01-31 17:07           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-31 17:09             ` Eric Sandeen
2007-02-07 14:03               ` Tejun Heo
2007-02-07 18:40                 ` Greg KH
2007-01-31 17:28           ` Alan
2007-01-30 19:54       ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 21:46         ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-30 22:27           ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-01-30 22:34           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-30 22:50             ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-30 23:05               ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 23:09               ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-30 23:29                 ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-30 23:45                   ` Manu Abraham
2007-01-31  0:16                   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-31  0:46                     ` Greg KH
2007-01-31  1:07                     ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-31  1:30                       ` Greg KH
2007-02-07 10:30           ` Laurent Pinchart
2007-01-30 22:43       ` Alan
2007-01-30 19:52     ` Diego Calleja
2007-01-30 20:11       ` Greg KH
2007-01-31  1:13     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-01-31  1:19       ` Trent Waddington
2007-01-31  2:14         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-01-31  1:24       ` Greg KH
2007-01-31  2:11         ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-01-31  2:14         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-02-05  9:49           ` Stefan Seyfried
2007-02-06 13:37             ` Sunil Naidu
2007-02-06 14:57               ` Dave Jones
2007-02-06 16:30               ` Gene Heskett
2007-02-06 16:36                 ` Gene Heskett
2007-02-06 21:14               ` Akemi Yagi
2007-02-07 13:33                 ` Sunil Naidu
2007-02-07 13:50                   ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-02-08  0:43                 ` David Lang
2007-02-06 15:12             ` Bill Davidsen
2007-02-06 16:11               ` Stefan Seyfried
2007-01-31 17:41     ` Sergei Organov
2007-02-01  5:46       ` Greg KH
2007-02-01 14:22         ` Sergei Organov
2007-02-01 14:41           ` Alan
2007-01-30 19:08 ` Dmitri Vorobiev
2007-01-30 19:49   ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 20:15 ` Andrew Lyon
2007-01-30 20:30   ` Greg KH
2007-02-04 13:29     ` Christer Weinigel
2007-02-04 18:19       ` Greg KH
2007-02-04 21:33         ` Christer Weinigel
2007-01-31  2:27 ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-01-31  6:26   ` Greg KH
2007-01-31  6:48     ` Kumar Gala
2007-01-31 20:01       ` Michael K. Edwards
     [not found]   ` <355711.50750.qm@web36602.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
2007-02-04 18:20     ` Greg KH
2007-02-04 19:08       ` Miguel Ojeda
2007-02-05  8:13         ` Greg KH
2007-02-05 15:24           ` Jiri Slaby
2007-02-06  6:42             ` Greg KH
2007-02-06 13:35           ` Sunil Naidu
2007-02-06 17:01             ` Greg KH
2007-02-04 18:59 ` Pierre Ossman
2007-02-06  6:44   ` Greg KH
2007-02-06  8:29     ` Manu Abraham
2007-02-06 18:21       ` Greg KH
2007-02-07  7:12         ` Miguel Ojeda
2007-02-07 18:42           ` Greg KH

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