network delays, mysterious push packets

network delays, mysterious push packets

[David Carlton]

I'm working on an application that we're trying to switch from a 2.4
kernel to a 2.6 kernel.  (I believe we're using 2.6.9.)  One part of
the program periodically sends out chunks of data (whose size is just
over 1MB) via tcp.

Frequently, alas, these chunks aren't arriving in a timely fashion.
Instrumenting the code and doing a tcpdump, this is what we see:

1) The sender uses sendmsg() to send all the data.  (In chunks of a
   little less than 1.5K, in case it matters.)

2) Most of the data arrives in a timely fashion.  There are a few
   dropped packets that have to get retransmitted; no big deal.  (I
   assume this step overlaps somewhat with step 1; also, sometimes all
   the data makes it, so we don't progress to step 3.)

3) Occasionally, at some point, the transmission slows way down: the
   sender sends out bits of data (1 or 2 Ethernet frames, I can't
   remember) spaced 200ms apart, each marked with PUSH.

I don't understand why they'd be marked with push: by this time, all
the sendmsg calls have returned, so the sender's kernel should have
all the data, so there should only be one transmission marked with
push.  But I'm seeing lots of them.  Which I wouldn't mind so much,
but the 200ms gaps are killing us.

Does this ring any bells?  This 200 millisecond gap + PUSH behavior
seems very odd, so I'm hoping that somebody's seen a misconfiguration
or kernel bug causing these particular symptoms.

Thanks for any suggestions that anybody has.

(I'm not subscribed to the lists, so please Cc: me on any responses.
Also, my apologies for the crosspost - the linux-net archives were
relatively bare and spam-filled, so it wasn't clear to me whether or
not that list was still active.)

David Carlton
david.carlton@sun.com

Re: network delays, mysterious push packets

[David S. Miller]

From: David Carlton <david.carlton@sun.com>
Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 14:38:10 -0800

> I'm working on an application that we're trying to switch from a 2.4
> kernel to a 2.6 kernel.  (I believe we're using 2.6.9.)  One part of
> the program periodically sends out chunks of data (whose size is just
> over 1MB) via tcp.

Please reproduce with something more current and report to the correct
mailing list (netdev@vger.kernel.org).

Thanks.

Re: network delays, mysterious push packets

[Herbert Xu]

David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net> wrote:
> From: David Carlton <david.carlton@sun.com>
> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 14:38:10 -0800
> 
>> I'm working on an application that we're trying to switch from a 2.4
>> kernel to a 2.6 kernel.  (I believe we're using 2.6.9.)  One part of
>> the program periodically sends out chunks of data (whose size is just
>> over 1MB) via tcp.
> 
> Please reproduce with something more current and report to the correct
> mailing list (netdev@vger.kernel.org).

Please include a packet dump too.

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