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From: "Dan Maas" <dmaas@dcine.com>
To: "Tim Connors" <tcon@physics.usyd.edu.au>,
	"François Cami" <stilgar2k@wanadoo.fr>
Cc: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Swap
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 05:16:19 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <003901c170e3$3b119660$1a01a8c0@allyourbase> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.3.96.1011119210005.12304A-100000@suphys.physics.usyd.edu.au>

> > If you don't have swap, maybe one, or both of the two
> > kernel trees will end up being not cached into main
> > memory, depending on how much RAM left you have. but going
> > back to X will take 1 second instead of 20,
> > and thus the system will be more responsive.

> A perfect example of why a system _needs_ tuning knobs - this view of
> Linus's that we need a self tuning system is idiotic, because some of us
> don't care how long a kernel compile takes (or even how long it takes to
> serve a couple of web pages per hour), but _do_ care about the general
> system responsiveness.

For what it's worth, I heartily agree...

Linus et al might very well say "if you care so much about keeping X in RAM,
just mlock() it." This is certainly worth a shot. (though I'd much prefer a
configurable 'weight' or 'stickiness' for file mappings vs. cached buffers).

Of course this sort of second-order tuning mechanism is a lot less important
than having a VM that doesn't crash or suck badly for common loads =)...
(not that the VM has been bad at all lately; I haven't had any problems
since 2.4.9-ac10 or 2.4.14, knock on wood...)

Regards,
Dan


  reply	other threads:[~2001-11-19 10:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <fa.inl6g6v.1mmbp4@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.heevhav.sjs8an@ifi.uio.no>
2001-11-18 22:15   ` Swap Dan Maas
2001-11-18 22:43     ` Swap François Cami
2001-11-19  9:18       ` Swap James A Sutherland
2001-11-19 10:51         ` Swap Remco Post
2001-11-19 13:33           ` Swap James A Sutherland
2001-11-19 13:46             ` Swap Remco Post
2001-11-19 16:58               ` Swap Rik van Riel
     [not found]                 ` <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0111191458150.1491-100000@duckman.distro.conecti va>
2001-11-19 21:13                   ` Swap Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-19 21:17                     ` Swap Rik van Riel
     [not found]                       ` <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0111191917000.1491-100000@duckman.distro.conecti va>
2001-11-19 21:52                         ` Swap Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-19 16:36             ` Swap Jesse Pollard
2001-11-20 14:51             ` Swap J.A. Magallon
2001-11-20 16:01               ` Swap Wolfgang Rohdewald
2001-11-20 16:06                 ` Swap Remco Post
2001-11-20 16:12                 ` Swap Nick LeRoy
2001-11-20 16:20                 ` Swap Richard B. Johnson
2001-11-20 17:14                   ` Swap Christopher Friesen
2001-11-20 17:40                     ` Swap Richard B. Johnson
2001-11-20 18:14                       ` Swap Nick LeRoy
2001-11-21 10:17                         ` Swap Helge Hafting
2001-11-21 11:17                           ` Swap Alan Cox
2001-11-20 23:20                       ` Swap Luigi Genoni
2001-11-21 16:44                       ` Swap Remco Post
2001-11-20 17:58                     ` Swap Wolfgang Rohdewald
2001-11-26 21:51                       ` [Linux-abi-devel] Swap Christoph Hellwig
2001-11-20 21:05                     ` Swap Steffen Persvold
2001-11-20 21:18                       ` Swap Mike Fedyk
2001-11-20 21:33                         ` Swap Nick LeRoy
2001-11-20 21:44                           ` Swap Mike Fedyk
2001-11-20 22:00                             ` Swap Nick LeRoy
2001-11-21 16:53                             ` Swap Remco Post
2001-11-20 21:43                         ` Swap Richard B. Johnson
2001-11-20 21:50                           ` NFS, Paging & Installing [was: Re: Swap] Mike Fedyk
2001-11-21  1:22                             ` Horst von Brand
2001-11-21  1:46                               ` Mike Fedyk
2001-11-21 10:55                                 ` Trond Myklebust
2001-11-22  5:16                                   ` Bernd Eckenfels
2001-11-22 12:19                                     ` Trond Myklebust
2001-11-23 19:33                                   ` Mike Fedyk
2001-11-20 21:19                       ` Swap Nick LeRoy
2001-11-21 16:48                       ` Swap Remco Post
2001-11-20 20:58               ` Swap Mike Fedyk
2001-11-19 10:03       ` Swap Tim Connors
2001-11-19 10:16         ` Dan Maas [this message]
     [not found] <fa.kb6ct7v.pgku0d@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.k8qdvcv.184ak2l@ifi.uio.no>
2001-11-20 22:46   ` Swap Dan Maas
2001-11-20 23:17     ` Swap Trond Myklebust
     [not found] <fa.kmf405v.j74f21@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.ns5ugpv.q02sbg@ifi.uio.no>
2001-11-20 21:26   ` Swap Dan Maas
2001-11-20 22:05     ` Swap Rik van Riel
2001-11-20 22:11     ` Swap David S. Miller
2001-11-20 22:19       ` Swap Rik van Riel
2001-11-20 22:34         ` Swap Dan Maas
2001-11-20 23:05           ` Swap Andrew Morton
     [not found]           ` <fa.jc73ejv.1s6e80t@ifi.uio.no>
2001-11-21  1:45             ` Swap Håvard Kvålen
2001-11-21  4:23               ` Swap Andreas Dilger
2001-11-20 22:23       ` Swap Andrew Morton
2001-11-20 23:01       ` Swap David S. Miller
2001-11-20 23:35         ` Swap Rik van Riel
2001-11-20 23:40         ` Swap David S. Miller
2001-11-21  0:19           ` Swap Rik van Riel
2001-11-21  0:21           ` Swap David S. Miller
2001-11-18 21:12 Swap war
2001-11-18 21:25 ` Swap James A Sutherland
2001-11-18 21:28   ` Swap war
2001-11-18 21:42     ` Swap François Cami
2001-11-18 21:45       ` Swap war
2001-11-18 23:03     ` Swap Erik Gustavsson
2001-11-19 18:12       ` Swap Eric W. Biederman
2001-11-19 18:43         ` Swap Rik van Riel
2001-11-20  2:49           ` Swap Eric W. Biederman
2001-11-20  3:33             ` Swap Ryan Cumming
2001-11-20 11:43               ` Swap Rik van Riel
2001-11-20 11:41             ` Swap Rik van Riel
2001-11-19 19:12         ` Swap James A Sutherland
2001-11-20  2:47           ` Swap Eric W. Biederman
2001-11-20  9:16             ` Swap James A Sutherland
2001-11-18 22:05   ` Swap J.A. Magallon
2001-11-18 22:21     ` Swap François Cami
2001-11-18 22:36     ` Swap Charles Marslett
2001-11-18 22:54       ` Swap J.A. Magallon
2001-11-18 23:36     ` Swap Bernd Eckenfels
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-10-18  5:06 RFC - tree quotas for Linux (2.4.12, ext2) Neil Brown
2001-10-18  5:53 ` Ben Greear
2001-10-18  8:38   ` James Sutherland
2001-10-18 20:20     ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-18 20:47       ` Tim Walberg
2001-10-19  1:07         ` Neil Brown
2001-10-19  3:03           ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-19 11:50             ` Horst von Brand
2001-10-19 17:00               ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-18 21:17       ` Andreas Dilger
2001-10-18 22:56         ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-19  0:14           ` Horst von Brand
2001-10-19  0:51             ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-19  1:13         ` Neil Brown
2001-10-19  0:53       ` Neil Brown
2001-10-24 15:16 ` Jan Kara
2001-10-24 15:34   ` James Sutherland
2001-10-24 15:39     ` Jan Kara
2001-10-24 15:50       ` James Sutherland
2001-10-24 17:41         ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-24 18:08           ` James Sutherland
2001-10-26 11:25     ` Pavel Machek
2001-10-24 21:24   ` Neil Brown
2001-10-25 15:48     ` Jan Kara
2001-10-26  4:36       ` Neil Brown
2001-10-29 14:06         ` Jan Kara
2001-10-29 23:23           ` Neil Brown
2001-10-30 12:33             ` Jan Kara

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