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From: Nick LeRoy <nleroy@cs.wisc.edu>
To: Mike Fedyk <mfedyk@matchmail.com>
Cc: Steffen Persvold <sp@scali.no>,
	Christopher Friesen <cfriesen@nortelnetworks.com>,
	root@chaos.analogic.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Swap
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:00:10 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200111202201.fAKM1At18356@schroeder.cs.wisc.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.95.1011120111730.7650A-100000@chaos.analogic.com> <200111202134.fAKLYSt15090@schroeder.cs.wisc.edu> <20011120134418.C4210@mikef-linux.matchmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <20011120134418.C4210@mikef-linux.matchmail.com>

On Tuesday 20 November 2001 15:44, Mike Fedyk wrote:

<SNIP>

> > *Any* time that you write to an executing executable, all bets are off. 
> > The most likely outcome is a big 'ol crash & burn.  With a local FS, Unix
> > prevents you from shooting yourself in the foot, but with NFS, fire
> > away.. I've done it.  It *does* let you, but...
> >
> > Solution:  Don't do that.  Shut them all down, on all clients, upgrade
> > the binaries, then restart the processes on the clients.
> >
> > As far as the scenerio that you've described, I *think* that it would
> > actually work.  When the new process is fork()ed, it gets a copy of the
> > file descriptors from it's parent, so the file is still open to it.  If
> > it the exec()s, the new image no longer has any real ties to it's parent
> > (at least, not that are relevant to this).
>
> What about processes with shared memory such as samba 2.0?

fork()ed processes are *identical* to their parents execept for the return 
value from fork().  They have the same shared memory handles, file 
descriptors, etc.  The kernel "knows" that there's an extra copy of each, and 
updates it's link counts, etc.

Actually, the real point is that it'll still be the old executable running 
with the old libraries, until you shut down the whole group.  Each of the 
processes are "linked" to the original file, so the new version will never 
run 'til the whole group is restarted.

It should just work.  I can't think of any reason why it shouldn't.

-Nick

  reply	other threads:[~2001-11-20 23:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <fa.inl6g6v.1mmbp4@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.heevhav.sjs8an@ifi.uio.no>
2001-11-18 22:15   ` Swap Dan Maas
2001-11-18 22:43     ` Swap François Cami
2001-11-19  9:18       ` Swap James A Sutherland
2001-11-19 10:51         ` Swap Remco Post
2001-11-19 13:33           ` Swap James A Sutherland
2001-11-19 13:46             ` Swap Remco Post
2001-11-19 16:58               ` Swap Rik van Riel
     [not found]                 ` <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0111191458150.1491-100000@duckman.distro.conecti va>
2001-11-19 21:13                   ` Swap Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-19 21:17                     ` Swap Rik van Riel
     [not found]                       ` <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0111191917000.1491-100000@duckman.distro.conecti va>
2001-11-19 21:52                         ` Swap Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-19 16:36             ` Swap Jesse Pollard
2001-11-20 14:51             ` Swap J.A. Magallon
2001-11-20 16:01               ` Swap Wolfgang Rohdewald
2001-11-20 16:06                 ` Swap Remco Post
2001-11-20 16:12                 ` Swap Nick LeRoy
2001-11-20 16:20                 ` Swap Richard B. Johnson
2001-11-20 17:14                   ` Swap Christopher Friesen
2001-11-20 17:40                     ` Swap Richard B. Johnson
2001-11-20 18:14                       ` Swap Nick LeRoy
2001-11-21 10:17                         ` Swap Helge Hafting
2001-11-21 11:17                           ` Swap Alan Cox
2001-11-20 23:20                       ` Swap Luigi Genoni
2001-11-21 16:44                       ` Swap Remco Post
2001-11-20 17:58                     ` Swap Wolfgang Rohdewald
2001-11-26 21:51                       ` [Linux-abi-devel] Swap Christoph Hellwig
2001-11-20 21:05                     ` Swap Steffen Persvold
2001-11-20 21:18                       ` Swap Mike Fedyk
2001-11-20 21:33                         ` Swap Nick LeRoy
2001-11-20 21:44                           ` Swap Mike Fedyk
2001-11-20 22:00                             ` Nick LeRoy [this message]
2001-11-21 16:53                             ` Swap Remco Post
2001-11-20 21:43                         ` Swap Richard B. Johnson
2001-11-20 21:50                           ` NFS, Paging & Installing [was: Re: Swap] Mike Fedyk
2001-11-21  1:22                             ` Horst von Brand
2001-11-21  1:46                               ` Mike Fedyk
2001-11-21 10:55                                 ` Trond Myklebust
2001-11-22  5:16                                   ` Bernd Eckenfels
2001-11-22 12:19                                     ` Trond Myklebust
2001-11-23 19:33                                   ` Mike Fedyk
2001-11-20 21:19                       ` Swap Nick LeRoy
2001-11-21 16:48                       ` Swap Remco Post
2001-11-20 20:58               ` Swap Mike Fedyk
2001-11-19 10:03       ` Swap Tim Connors
2001-11-19 10:16         ` Swap Dan Maas
     [not found] <fa.kb6ct7v.pgku0d@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.k8qdvcv.184ak2l@ifi.uio.no>
2001-11-20 22:46   ` Swap Dan Maas
2001-11-20 23:17     ` Swap Trond Myklebust
     [not found] <fa.kmf405v.j74f21@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.ns5ugpv.q02sbg@ifi.uio.no>
2001-11-20 21:26   ` Swap Dan Maas
2001-11-20 22:05     ` Swap Rik van Riel
2001-11-20 22:11     ` Swap David S. Miller
2001-11-20 22:19       ` Swap Rik van Riel
2001-11-20 22:34         ` Swap Dan Maas
2001-11-20 23:05           ` Swap Andrew Morton
     [not found]           ` <fa.jc73ejv.1s6e80t@ifi.uio.no>
2001-11-21  1:45             ` Swap Håvard Kvålen
2001-11-21  4:23               ` Swap Andreas Dilger
2001-11-20 22:23       ` Swap Andrew Morton
2001-11-20 23:01       ` Swap David S. Miller
2001-11-20 23:35         ` Swap Rik van Riel
2001-11-20 23:40         ` Swap David S. Miller
2001-11-21  0:19           ` Swap Rik van Riel
2001-11-21  0:21           ` Swap David S. Miller
2001-11-18 21:12 Swap war
2001-11-18 21:25 ` Swap James A Sutherland
2001-11-18 21:28   ` Swap war
2001-11-18 21:42     ` Swap François Cami
2001-11-18 21:45       ` Swap war
2001-11-18 23:03     ` Swap Erik Gustavsson
2001-11-19 18:12       ` Swap Eric W. Biederman
2001-11-19 18:43         ` Swap Rik van Riel
2001-11-20  2:49           ` Swap Eric W. Biederman
2001-11-20  3:33             ` Swap Ryan Cumming
2001-11-20 11:43               ` Swap Rik van Riel
2001-11-20 11:41             ` Swap Rik van Riel
2001-11-19 19:12         ` Swap James A Sutherland
2001-11-20  2:47           ` Swap Eric W. Biederman
2001-11-20  9:16             ` Swap James A Sutherland
2001-11-18 22:05   ` Swap J.A. Magallon
2001-11-18 22:21     ` Swap François Cami
2001-11-18 22:36     ` Swap Charles Marslett
2001-11-18 22:54       ` Swap J.A. Magallon
2001-11-18 23:36     ` Swap Bernd Eckenfels
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-10-18  5:06 RFC - tree quotas for Linux (2.4.12, ext2) Neil Brown
2001-10-18  5:53 ` Ben Greear
2001-10-18  8:38   ` James Sutherland
2001-10-18 20:20     ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-18 20:47       ` Tim Walberg
2001-10-19  1:07         ` Neil Brown
2001-10-19  3:03           ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-19 11:50             ` Horst von Brand
2001-10-19 17:00               ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-18 21:17       ` Andreas Dilger
2001-10-18 22:56         ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-19  0:14           ` Horst von Brand
2001-10-19  0:51             ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-19  1:13         ` Neil Brown
2001-10-19  0:53       ` Neil Brown
2001-10-24 15:16 ` Jan Kara
2001-10-24 15:34   ` James Sutherland
2001-10-24 15:39     ` Jan Kara
2001-10-24 15:50       ` James Sutherland
2001-10-24 17:41         ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-24 18:08           ` James Sutherland
2001-10-26 11:25     ` Pavel Machek
2001-10-24 21:24   ` Neil Brown
2001-10-25 15:48     ` Jan Kara
2001-10-26  4:36       ` Neil Brown
2001-10-29 14:06         ` Jan Kara
2001-10-29 23:23           ` Neil Brown
2001-10-30 12:33             ` Jan Kara

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