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From: James A Sutherland <jas88@cam.ac.uk>
To: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
Cc: Erik Gustavsson <cyrano@algonet.se>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Swap
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:16:04 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E16670X-0006Xt-00@puce.csi.cam.ac.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3BF82443.5D3E2E11@starband.net> <E165tpy-0002Dm-00@mauve.csi.cam.ac.uk> <m1ofly6tvb.fsf@frodo.biederman.org>
In-Reply-To: <m1ofly6tvb.fsf@frodo.biederman.org>

On Tuesday 20 November 2001 2:47 am, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> James A Sutherland <jas88@cam.ac.uk> writes:
> > On Monday 19 November 2001 6:12 pm, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> > > Erik Gustavsson <cyrano@algonet.se> writes:
> > > > I agree...   After a while it always seems that 80% or more of my RAM
> > > > is used for cache and buffers while my open, but not currently used
> > > > apps get pushed onto disk. Then when I decide to switch to that
> > > > mozilla window of emacs session I have to wait for it to be loaded
> > > > from disk again. Also considering the kind of disk activity this box
> > > > has, the data in the cache is mostly the last few hour's MP3's, in
> > > > other words utterly useless as that data will not be used again. I'd
> > > > rather my apps stayed in RAM...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Is there a way to limit the size of the cache?
> > >
> > > Reasonable.  It looks like the use once heuristics are failing for your
> > > mp3 files.   Find out why that is happening and they should push the
> > > rest of your system into swap.
> >
> > Getting clobbered by the mp3 player accessing the ID3 tag? That way, at
> > least part of the file is used twice, so use-ONCE won't matter...
>
> For that page perhaps.  But that is only 4K.  That doesn't explain the rest
> of it.  use-once is per page.

True - the ID3 can be in several different places, so that could account for 
a couple of pages, but mp3 players certainly DON'T read the whole file in 
before playing...

Does the mp3 player in question try to pre-read the pages using one 
process/thread, before the actual player thread reaches them? How far apart 
would two accesses need to be to disable read-once?


James.

  reply	other threads:[~2001-11-20  9:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-11-18 21:12 Swap war
2001-11-18 21:25 ` Swap James A Sutherland
2001-11-18 21:28   ` Swap war
2001-11-18 21:42     ` Swap François Cami
2001-11-18 21:45       ` Swap war
2001-11-18 23:03     ` Swap Erik Gustavsson
2001-11-19 18:12       ` Swap Eric W. Biederman
2001-11-19 18:43         ` Swap Rik van Riel
2001-11-20  2:49           ` Swap Eric W. Biederman
2001-11-20  3:33             ` Swap Ryan Cumming
2001-11-20 11:43               ` Swap Rik van Riel
2001-11-20 11:41             ` Swap Rik van Riel
2001-11-19 19:12         ` Swap James A Sutherland
2001-11-20  2:47           ` Swap Eric W. Biederman
2001-11-20  9:16             ` James A Sutherland [this message]
2001-11-18 22:05   ` Swap J.A. Magallon
2001-11-18 22:21     ` Swap François Cami
2001-11-18 22:36     ` Swap Charles Marslett
2001-11-18 22:54       ` Swap J.A. Magallon
2001-11-18 23:36     ` Swap Bernd Eckenfels
     [not found] <fa.inl6g6v.1mmbp4@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.heevhav.sjs8an@ifi.uio.no>
2001-11-18 22:15   ` Swap Dan Maas
2001-11-18 22:43     ` Swap François Cami
2001-11-19  9:18       ` Swap James A Sutherland
2001-11-19 10:51         ` Swap Remco Post
2001-11-19 13:33           ` Swap James A Sutherland
2001-11-19 13:46             ` Swap Remco Post
2001-11-19 16:58               ` Swap Rik van Riel
     [not found]                 ` <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0111191458150.1491-100000@duckman.distro.conecti va>
2001-11-19 21:13                   ` Swap Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-19 21:17                     ` Swap Rik van Riel
     [not found]                       ` <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0111191917000.1491-100000@duckman.distro.conecti va>
2001-11-19 21:52                         ` Swap Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-19 16:36             ` Swap Jesse Pollard
2001-11-20 14:51             ` Swap J.A. Magallon
2001-11-20 16:01               ` Swap Wolfgang Rohdewald
2001-11-20 16:06                 ` Swap Remco Post
2001-11-20 16:12                 ` Swap Nick LeRoy
2001-11-20 16:20                 ` Swap Richard B. Johnson
2001-11-20 17:14                   ` Swap Christopher Friesen
2001-11-20 17:40                     ` Swap Richard B. Johnson
2001-11-20 18:14                       ` Swap Nick LeRoy
2001-11-21 10:17                         ` Swap Helge Hafting
2001-11-21 11:17                           ` Swap Alan Cox
2001-11-20 23:20                       ` Swap Luigi Genoni
2001-11-21 16:44                       ` Swap Remco Post
2001-11-20 17:58                     ` Swap Wolfgang Rohdewald
2001-11-20 21:05                     ` Swap Steffen Persvold
2001-11-20 21:18                       ` Swap Mike Fedyk
2001-11-20 21:33                         ` Swap Nick LeRoy
2001-11-20 21:44                           ` Swap Mike Fedyk
2001-11-20 22:00                             ` Swap Nick LeRoy
2001-11-21 16:53                             ` Swap Remco Post
2001-11-20 21:43                         ` Swap Richard B. Johnson
2001-11-20 21:19                       ` Swap Nick LeRoy
2001-11-21 16:48                       ` Swap Remco Post
2001-11-20 20:58               ` Swap Mike Fedyk
2001-11-19 10:03       ` Swap Tim Connors
2001-11-19 10:16         ` Swap Dan Maas
     [not found] <fa.kmf405v.j74f21@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.ns5ugpv.q02sbg@ifi.uio.no>
2001-11-20 21:26   ` Swap Dan Maas
2001-11-20 22:05     ` Swap Rik van Riel
2001-11-20 22:11     ` Swap David S. Miller
2001-11-20 22:19       ` Swap Rik van Riel
2001-11-20 22:34         ` Swap Dan Maas
2001-11-20 23:05           ` Swap Andrew Morton
     [not found]           ` <fa.jc73ejv.1s6e80t@ifi.uio.no>
2001-11-21  1:45             ` Swap Håvard Kvålen
2001-11-21  4:23               ` Swap Andreas Dilger
2001-11-20 22:23       ` Swap Andrew Morton
2001-11-20 23:01       ` Swap David S. Miller
2001-11-20 23:35         ` Swap Rik van Riel
2001-11-20 23:40         ` Swap David S. Miller
2001-11-21  0:19           ` Swap Rik van Riel
2001-11-21  0:21           ` Swap David S. Miller
     [not found] <fa.kb6ct7v.pgku0d@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.k8qdvcv.184ak2l@ifi.uio.no>
2001-11-20 22:46   ` Swap Dan Maas
2001-11-20 23:17     ` Swap Trond Myklebust

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