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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Tim Bird <tim.bird@am.sony.com>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, Karim Yaghmour <karim@opersys.com>
Subject: [RFC] Instrumentation (was Re: 2.6.11-rc1-mm1)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:08:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1105794499.13265.247.camel@tglx.tec.linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <41E8543A.8050304@am.sony.com>

</Flame off>

On Fri, 2005-01-14 at 15:22 -0800, Tim Bird wrote:
>  but not 1) supporting infrastructure for timestamping, managing event
>  data, etc., and 2) a static list of generally useful tracepoints.

Both points are well taken. Thats the essential minimum what
instrumentation needs.

I'd like to see this infrastructure usable for all kinds of
instrumentation mechanisms which are built in to the kernel already or
functions which are used for similar purposes in experimental trees and
other instrumentation related projects. 

This requires to seperate the backend from the infrastructure, so you
can chose from a set of backends which fit best for the intended use. 

One of those backends is LTT+relayfs. 
I really respect the work you have done there, but please accept that I
just see the limitations and try to figure out a way to make it more
generic and flexible before it is cemented into the kernel and makes it
hard to use for other interesting instrumentation aspects and maybe
enforces redundant implementation of infrastructure related
functionality.

E.g. tracking down timing related issues can make use from such
functionality if the infrastructure is provided seperately.
I guess a lot of developers would be happy to use it when it is already
around in the kernel and it can help testers for giving better
information to developers.

tglx



  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-01-15 13:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 143+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-01-14  8:23 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andrew Morton
2005-01-14  8:47 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andi Kleen
2005-01-14  9:27   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-14 10:27   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Nikita Danilov
2005-01-14 10:38     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andi Kleen
2005-01-14 11:06       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-14 15:31         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-14 21:11           ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-14 22:58             ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tim Bird
2005-01-15  0:20               ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andi Kleen
2005-01-15  4:25               ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-15  1:06             ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-15  4:18               ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16  2:38                 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-16  6:00                   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16 16:52                     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-16 21:18                       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-17  1:37                         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-17  2:24                           ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-17 12:20                             ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-17 20:32                               ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-17 22:31                                 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-17 22:42                                   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Robert Wisniewski
2005-01-17 23:26                                     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-17 23:41                                   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-18  0:02                                     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-18  3:05                                       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-17 13:54                         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-17 21:27                           ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-17 23:57                             ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-18  4:03                               ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-18  4:30                                 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Aaron Cohen
2005-01-18  4:46                                   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-18  8:07                                     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tom Zanussi
2005-01-18 16:40                                       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-18 19:37                                         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tom Zanussi
2005-01-18 15:31                                 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-21  6:26                                   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-21 22:23                                     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-23  7:43                                       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-23  7:52                                         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-23  8:28                                         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-24  0:38                                         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-25  9:12                                           ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-18  1:13                             ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-18  2:52                               ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-17 17:02                         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tom Zanussi
2005-01-16 19:05                     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tom Zanussi
2005-01-19 11:14                       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-19 16:53                         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tom Zanussi
2005-01-16 16:14             ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-16 19:47               ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16 20:30               ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tom Zanussi
2005-01-19 11:11                 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-14 15:24   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-18 11:19   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Masami Hiramatsu
2005-01-18 11:46     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andi Kleen
2005-01-18 14:52       ` [Lkst-develop] 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Masami Hiramatsu
2005-01-14 12:36 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Miklos Szeredi
2005-01-14 13:04 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Kasper Sandberg
2005-01-14 18:35   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andrew Morton
2005-01-14 19:08     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Rogério Brito
2005-01-14 19:41     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Peter Buckingham
2005-01-17 17:04     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Matthias Urlichs
2005-01-14 19:02   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Bill Davidsen
2005-01-14 15:07 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-14 16:56   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Dave Jones
2005-01-14 17:55     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-19 23:06   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Marcos D. Marado Torres
2005-01-19 23:54     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-14 15:35 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-01-14 22:03   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-14 17:35 ` [patch] 2.6.11-rc1-mm1: ip_tables.c: ipt_find_target must be EXPORT_SYMBOL'ed Adrian Bunk
2005-01-14 17:43   ` Patrick McHardy
2005-01-14 22:41 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tim Bird
2005-01-14 22:46 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-14 23:22   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tim Bird
2005-01-15  0:24     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-15  1:27       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16 16:18       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-15 13:08     ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2005-01-16  2:09       ` [RFC] Instrumentation (was Re: 2.6.11-rc1-mm1) Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16  3:11         ` Roman Zippel
2005-01-16  4:23           ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16 23:43             ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-17  1:54               ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-17 10:26                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-17 20:34                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-17 22:18                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-17 23:57                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-18  8:46                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-18 16:31                           ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-19  7:13                 ` Werner Almesberger
2005-01-19 17:38                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-14 22:48 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andre Eisenbach
2005-01-15  8:42   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Miklos Szeredi
2005-01-15  8:45   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Miklos Szeredi
     [not found] ` <1105740276.8604.83.camel@tglx.tec.linutronix.de>
2005-01-14 23:09   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-15  0:01     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-15  0:26       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andrew Morton
2005-01-15  1:00         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-15  1:25           ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-15 10:20             ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-16  4:13               ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16 15:19                 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Robert Wisniewski
2005-01-15  1:14       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-15  9:57         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-16 16:21     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-16 19:49       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16 20:11         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Robert Wisniewski
2005-01-16 20:32           ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andrew Morton
2005-01-16 21:06             ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Robert Wisniewski
2005-01-16 21:40               ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-17 15:48                 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Robert Wisniewski
2005-01-17 16:13                   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-17 21:38                     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16 20:39           ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-16 21:14             ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Robert Wisniewski
2005-01-15  2:58 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-17 22:19   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-16  0:59 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Joseph Fannin
2005-01-16 19:09   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Daniel Drake
2005-01-16 19:20     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-16 21:09   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Daniel Drake
2005-01-17 23:31     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 J.A. Magallon
2005-01-18  2:35       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Daniel Drake
2005-01-18  2:54   ` [PATCH] Wait and retry mounting root device (revised) Daniel Drake
2005-01-18  0:34     ` Al Viro
2005-01-18  0:02       ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-01-18  8:05         ` Andries Brouwer
2005-01-18  8:28         ` Helge Hafting
2005-01-18  8:49           ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-18 13:20             ` Helge Hafting
2005-01-20 20:55             ` [PATCH] Configurable delay before mounting root device Daniel Drake
2005-01-20 20:24               ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-21 18:15                 ` Daniel Drake
2005-01-20 22:49               ` William Park
2005-01-18  1:03       ` [PATCH] Wait and retry mounting root device (revised) William Park
2005-01-19  0:43         ` Werner Almesberger
2005-01-18  8:02     ` Andries Brouwer
2005-01-19 20:11       ` Frank van Maarseveen
2005-01-20 21:39 [RFC] Instrumentation (was Re: 2.6.11-rc1-mm1) Werner Almesberger
2005-01-20 23:07 ` Karim Yaghmour

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