* TPM on IBM thinkcenter S51 @ 2005-05-27 20:42 trusted linux 2005-05-30 13:17 ` Torsten Landschoff 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: trusted linux @ 2005-05-27 20:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux-kernel Hi, I can't make TPM work on an IBM thinkcenter S51 running 2.6.12-rc5 kernel. Here is what I did: 1. build the drivers tpm.ko and tpm_nsc.ko and modprobe tpm 2. create /dev/tpm 3. build tpm libtcpa (version 1.1) 4. run tcpa_demo then I got an error "Can't open TPM driver". I also tried tpm_amtel (though I believe mine is nsc) and the same error too. Does anybody experience the same problem and have a clue? thanks, Gavin, __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: TPM on IBM thinkcenter S51 2005-05-27 20:42 TPM on IBM thinkcenter S51 trusted linux @ 2005-05-30 13:17 ` Torsten Landschoff 2005-06-02 22:00 ` trusted linux 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Torsten Landschoff @ 2005-05-30 13:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: trusted linux; +Cc: linux-kernel On Fri, 2005-05-27 at 13:42 -0700, trusted linux wrote: > I can't make TPM work on an IBM thinkcenter S51 > running 2.6.12-rc5 kernel. Here is what I did: > > 1. build the drivers tpm.ko and tpm_nsc.ko and > modprobe tpm > 2. create /dev/tpm > 3. build tpm libtcpa (version 1.1) > 4. run tcpa_demo > > then I got an error "Can't open TPM driver". I'd check with strace first what's going on there. In my case I had /dev/tpm0 created by udev with libtcpa accessing /dev/tpm. So - what's the output of strace ./tcpa_demo ?? Greetings Torsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: TPM on IBM thinkcenter S51 2005-05-30 13:17 ` Torsten Landschoff @ 2005-06-02 22:00 ` trusted linux 2005-06-03 9:23 ` Torsten Landschoff 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: trusted linux @ 2005-06-02 22:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Torsten Landschoff; +Cc: linux-kernel Torsten, thanks, here is my strace related to tpm: open("/dev/tpm", O_RDWR) = -1 ENODEV (No such device) write(2, "Can\'t open TPM Driver\n", 22Can't open TPM Driver ) = 22 I also inserted some printk in tpm.c and tpm_nsc.c (tpm_atmel.c as well). I only saw "init_tpm" be called. "tpm_open" was not even called! This machine (IBM thinkcenter S51) has a TPM (confirmed by IBM support and its own specs). So, the only possible problem is the driver. Any idea? thanks a lot, Gang --- Torsten Landschoff <tla@comsys.informatik.uni-kiel.de> wrote: > On Fri, 2005-05-27 at 13:42 -0700, trusted linux > wrote: > > > I can't make TPM work on an IBM thinkcenter S51 > > running 2.6.12-rc5 kernel. Here is what I did: > > > > 1. build the drivers tpm.ko and tpm_nsc.ko and > > modprobe tpm > > 2. create /dev/tpm > > 3. build tpm libtcpa (version 1.1) > > 4. run tcpa_demo > > > > then I got an error "Can't open TPM driver". > > I'd check with strace first what's going on there. > In my case I > had /dev/tpm0 created by udev with libtcpa accessing > /dev/tpm. So - > what's the output of > > strace ./tcpa_demo > > ?? > > Greetings > > Torsten > > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: TPM on IBM thinkcenter S51 2005-06-02 22:00 ` trusted linux @ 2005-06-03 9:23 ` Torsten Landschoff 2005-06-03 15:02 ` Kylene Jo Hall 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Torsten Landschoff @ 2005-06-03 9:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: trusted linux; +Cc: linux-kernel On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 15:00 -0700, trusted linux wrote: > thanks, here is my strace related to tpm: > > open("/dev/tpm", O_RDWR) = -1 ENODEV > (No such device) > write(2, "Can\'t open TPM Driver\n", 22Can't open TPM > Driver > ) = 22 Okay, so the driver is in fact not working. It could be that /dev/tpm has the wrong device number assigned. If the driver is really installed can be checked by systool -c misc|grep tpm I bet it does not show anything. OTOH if the module loads successfully it really should be there. No idea what's going wrong then. Which version of the driver are you using? Greetings Torsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: TPM on IBM thinkcenter S51 2005-06-03 9:23 ` Torsten Landschoff @ 2005-06-03 15:02 ` Kylene Jo Hall 2005-06-03 16:23 ` Kylene Jo Hall ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Kylene Jo Hall @ 2005-06-03 15:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Torsten Landschoff; +Cc: trusted linux, linux-kernel Hi Torsten, I maintain the driver and am interested in figuring out what this problem is. Can you please tell me what the device major/minor are on /dev/tpm. Any output produced by the driver in /var/log/messages. Also the output of /sbin/lspci. Also I am assuming you are using the version in the default 2.6.12-rc5. There are many changes are in the - mm2 patch so I will pull down the default tree and make sure the version there is working. Thanks, Kylie On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 11:23 +0200, Torsten Landschoff wrote: > On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 15:00 -0700, trusted linux wrote: > > thanks, here is my strace related to tpm: > > > > open("/dev/tpm", O_RDWR) = -1 ENODEV > > (No such device) > > write(2, "Can\'t open TPM Driver\n", 22Can't open TPM > > Driver > > ) = 22 > > Okay, so the driver is in fact not working. It could be that /dev/tpm > has the wrong device number assigned. If the driver is really installed > can be checked by > > systool -c misc|grep tpm > > I bet it does not show anything. OTOH if the module loads successfully > it really should be there. No idea what's going wrong then. > > Which version of the driver are you using? > > Greetings > > Torsten > > - > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: TPM on IBM thinkcenter S51 2005-06-03 15:02 ` Kylene Jo Hall @ 2005-06-03 16:23 ` Kylene Jo Hall 2005-06-10 1:37 ` trusted linux 2005-06-03 16:24 ` Kylene Jo Hall 2005-06-06 8:53 ` Torsten Landschoff 2 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Kylene Jo Hall @ 2005-06-03 16:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Torsten Landschoff; +Cc: trusted linux, linux-kernel Ok, I think this patch will fix the driver to find your TPM. It is just adding some additional LPC buses to look for so it won't make things any worse if it doesn't fix the problem. Please let me know if it works. If it finds the device it should print a version message in syslog. Also there should be a tpm0 directory in /sys/classs/misc. Once you have that you can try to cat /sys/class/misc/tpm0/device/pcrs. If that returns an error please try the next patch I send you and let me know the results. Thanks, Kylie Signed-off-by: Kylene Hall <kjhall@us.ibm.com> --- linux-2.6.12-rc5/drivers/char/tpm/tpm_nsc.c.orig 2005-06-03 11:14:07.000000000 -0500 +++ linux-2.6.12-rc5/drivers/char/tpm/tpm_nsc.c 2005-06-03 11:14:53.000000000 -0500 @@ -340,6 +340,9 @@ static struct pci_device_id tpm_pci_tbl[ {PCI_DEVICE(PCI_VENDOR_ID_INTEL, PCI_DEVICE_ID_INTEL_82801DB_12)}, {PCI_DEVICE(PCI_VENDOR_ID_INTEL, PCI_DEVICE_ID_INTEL_82801EB_0)}, {PCI_DEVICE(PCI_VENDOR_ID_AMD, PCI_DEVICE_ID_AMD_8111_LPC)}, + {PCI_DEVICE(PCI_VENDOR_ID_INTEL, PCI_DEVICE_ID_INTEL_ICH6_0)}, + {PCI_DEVICE(PCI_VENDOR_ID_INTEL, PCI_DEVICE_ID_INTEL_ICH6_1)}, + {PCI_DEVICE(PCI_VENDOR_ID_INTEL, PCI_DEVICE_ID_INTEL_ICH7_0)}, {0,} }; On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 10:02 -0500, Kylene Jo Hall wrote: > Hi Torsten, > > I maintain the driver and am interested in figuring out what this > problem is. Can you please tell me what the device major/minor are > on /dev/tpm. Any output produced by the driver in /var/log/messages. > Also the output of /sbin/lspci. Also I am assuming you are using the > version in the default 2.6.12-rc5. There are many changes are in the - > mm2 patch so I will pull down the default tree and make sure the version > there is working. > > Thanks, > Kylie > > On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 11:23 +0200, Torsten Landschoff wrote: > > On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 15:00 -0700, trusted linux wrote: > > > thanks, here is my strace related to tpm: > > > > > > open("/dev/tpm", O_RDWR) = -1 ENODEV > > > (No such device) > > > write(2, "Can\'t open TPM Driver\n", 22Can't open TPM > > > Driver > > > ) = 22 > > > > Okay, so the driver is in fact not working. It could be that /dev/tpm > > has the wrong device number assigned. If the driver is really installed > > can be checked by > > > > systool -c misc|grep tpm > > > > I bet it does not show anything. OTOH if the module loads successfully > > it really should be there. No idea what's going wrong then. > > > > Which version of the driver are you using? > > > > Greetings > > > > Torsten > > > > - > > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: TPM on IBM thinkcenter S51 2005-06-03 16:23 ` Kylene Jo Hall @ 2005-06-10 1:37 ` trusted linux 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: trusted linux @ 2005-06-10 1:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Kylene Jo Hall, Torsten Landschoff; +Cc: trusted linux, linux-kernel Kylene and Torsten, thanks for the help. sorry for the late response - my machine crashed (for other reasons) and I had to rebuild it. 0. I am using 2.6.12-rc5 default driver. 1. systool -c misc|grep tpm shows nothing. the driver is not there. 2. here is ll /dev/tpm output: (major 10, minor 224). crw-r--r-- 1 root root 10, 224 Jun 9 20:11 /dev/tpm 3. when I modprobe tpm and tpm_nsc (or insmod), no output is printed to /var/log/messages except my own test message. 4. /sbin/lspci output: 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 915G/P/GV Processor to I/O Controller (rev 04) 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82915G Express Chipset Family Graphics Controller (rev 04) 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family ) USB UHCI #1 (rev 03) 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family ) USB UHCI #2 (rev 03) 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family ) USB UHCI #3 (rev 03) 00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family ) USB UHCI #4 (rev 03) 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family ) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 03) 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801 PCI Bridge (rev d3) 00:1e.2 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03) 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FR (ICH6/ICH6R) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 03) 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FW (ICH6/ICH6W) SATA Contro ller (rev 03) 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) SMBus C ontroller (rev 03) 0a:0b.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5705_2 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 03) 5. I tried the Kylene's 1st patch. I first got an error patching file as the following: linux-2.6.12-rc5/drivers/char/tpm/tpm_nsc.c patch: **** malformed patch at line 13: }; then I modified the patch: --- linux-2.6.12-rc5/drivers/char/tpm/tpm_nsc_orig.c 2005-06-09 21:07:49.000000000 -0400 +++ linux-2.6.12-rc5/drivers/char/tpm/tpm_nsc.c 2005-06-09 21:18:30.000000000 -0400 @@ -340,6 +340,9 @@ {PCI_DEVICE(PCI_VENDOR_ID_INTEL, PCI_DEVICE_ID_INTEL_82801DB_12)}, {PCI_DEVICE(PCI_VENDOR_ID_INTEL, PCI_DEVICE_ID_INTEL_82801EB_0)}, {PCI_DEVICE(PCI_VENDOR_ID_AMD, PCI_DEVICE_ID_AMD_8111_LPC)}, + {PCI_DEVICE(PCI_VENDOR_ID_INTEL, PCI_DEVICE_ID_INTEL_ICH6_0)}, + {PCI_DEVICE(PCI_VENDOR_ID_INTEL, PCI_DEVICE_ID_INTEL_ICH6_1)}, + {PCI_DEVICE(PCI_VENDOR_ID_INTEL, PCI_DEVICE_ID_INTEL_ICH7_0)}, {0,} }; And patching works but tpm still doesn't work - tpm0 directory is not created under /sys/class. 6. I checked tpmdd but the lastest version is for 2.6.11. I guess 2.6.12 should supercede it. any idea? thanks, Gang --- Kylene Jo Hall <kjhall@us.ibm.com> wrote: > Ok, > > I think this patch will fix the driver to find your > TPM. It is just > adding some additional LPC buses to look for so it > won't make things any > worse if it doesn't fix the problem. Please let me > know if it works. > If it finds the device it should print a version > message in syslog. > Also there should be a tpm0 directory in > /sys/classs/misc. Once you > have that you can try to cat > /sys/class/misc/tpm0/device/pcrs. If that > returns an error please try the next patch I send > you and let me know > the results. > > Thanks, > Kylie > > Signed-off-by: Kylene Hall <kjhall@us.ibm.com> > --- linux-2.6.12-rc5/drivers/char/tpm/tpm_nsc.c.orig > 2005-06-03 11:14:07.000000000 -0500 > +++ linux-2.6.12-rc5/drivers/char/tpm/tpm_nsc.c > 2005-06-03 11:14:53.000000000 -0500 > @@ -340,6 +340,9 @@ static struct pci_device_id > tpm_pci_tbl[ > {PCI_DEVICE(PCI_VENDOR_ID_INTEL, > PCI_DEVICE_ID_INTEL_82801DB_12)}, > {PCI_DEVICE(PCI_VENDOR_ID_INTEL, > PCI_DEVICE_ID_INTEL_82801EB_0)}, > {PCI_DEVICE(PCI_VENDOR_ID_AMD, > PCI_DEVICE_ID_AMD_8111_LPC)}, > + {PCI_DEVICE(PCI_VENDOR_ID_INTEL, > PCI_DEVICE_ID_INTEL_ICH6_0)}, > + {PCI_DEVICE(PCI_VENDOR_ID_INTEL, > PCI_DEVICE_ID_INTEL_ICH6_1)}, > + {PCI_DEVICE(PCI_VENDOR_ID_INTEL, > PCI_DEVICE_ID_INTEL_ICH7_0)}, > {0,} > }; > > > > On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 10:02 -0500, Kylene Jo Hall > wrote: > > Hi Torsten, > > > > I maintain the driver and am interested in > figuring out what this > > problem is. Can you please tell me what the > device major/minor are > > on /dev/tpm. Any output produced by the driver in > /var/log/messages. > > Also the output of /sbin/lspci. Also I am > assuming you are using the > > version in the default 2.6.12-rc5. There are many > changes are in the - > > mm2 patch so I will pull down the default tree and > make sure the version > > there is working. > > > > Thanks, > > Kylie > > > > On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 11:23 +0200, Torsten > Landschoff wrote: > > > On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 15:00 -0700, trusted linux > wrote: > > > > thanks, here is my strace related to tpm: > > > > > > > > open("/dev/tpm", O_RDWR) = -1 > ENODEV > > > > (No such device) > > > > write(2, "Can\'t open TPM Driver\n", 22Can't > open TPM > > > > Driver > > > > ) = 22 > > > > > > Okay, so the driver is in fact not working. It > could be that /dev/tpm > > > has the wrong device number assigned. If the > driver is really installed > > > can be checked by > > > > > > systool -c misc|grep tpm > > > > > > I bet it does not show anything. OTOH if the > module loads successfully > > > it really should be there. No idea what's going > wrong then. > > > > > > Which version of the driver are you using? > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > Torsten > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line > "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > > > the body of a message to > majordomo@vger.kernel.org > > > More majordomo info at > http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > > > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ > > > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line > "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > > More majordomo info at > http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ > > > > > > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! 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* Re: TPM on IBM thinkcenter S51 2005-06-03 15:02 ` Kylene Jo Hall 2005-06-03 16:23 ` Kylene Jo Hall @ 2005-06-03 16:24 ` Kylene Jo Hall 2005-06-06 8:53 ` Torsten Landschoff 2 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Kylene Jo Hall @ 2005-06-03 16:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Torsten Landschoff; +Cc: trusted linux, linux-kernel The second patch that may be necessary to fix the NSC TPM command path. Please let me know your results. Thanks, Kylie Signed-off-by: Kylene Hall --- --- linux-2.6.12-rc4/drivers/char/tpm/tpm_nsc.orig 2005-06-03 10:50:45.000000000 -0500 +++ linux-2.6.12-rc4/drivers/char/tpm/tpm_nsc.c 2005-06-03 10:51:09.000000000 -0500 @@ -149,7 +149,7 @@ static int tpm_nsc_recv(struct tpm_chip break; *p = inb(chip->vendor->base + NSC_DATA); } - +/* if ((data & NSC_STATUS_F0) == 0) { dev_err(&chip->pci_dev->dev, "F0 not set\n"); return -EIO; @@ -159,7 +159,7 @@ static int tpm_nsc_recv(struct tpm_chip "expected end of command(0x%x)\n", data); return -EIO; } - +*/ native_size = (__force __be32 *) (buf + 2); size = be32_to_cpu(*native_size); On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 10:02 -0500, Kylene Jo Hall wrote: > Hi Torsten, > > I maintain the driver and am interested in figuring out what this > problem is. Can you please tell me what the device major/minor are > on /dev/tpm. Any output produced by the driver in /var/log/messages. > Also the output of /sbin/lspci. Also I am assuming you are using the > version in the default 2.6.12-rc5. There are many changes are in the - > mm2 patch so I will pull down the default tree and make sure the version > there is working. > > Thanks, > Kylie > > On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 11:23 +0200, Torsten Landschoff wrote: > > On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 15:00 -0700, trusted linux wrote: > > > thanks, here is my strace related to tpm: > > > > > > open("/dev/tpm", O_RDWR) = -1 ENODEV > > > (No such device) > > > write(2, "Can\'t open TPM Driver\n", 22Can't open TPM > > > Driver > > > ) = 22 > > > > Okay, so the driver is in fact not working. It could be that /dev/tpm > > has the wrong device number assigned. If the driver is really installed > > can be checked by > > > > systool -c misc|grep tpm > > > > I bet it does not show anything. OTOH if the module loads successfully > > it really should be there. No idea what's going wrong then. > > > > Which version of the driver are you using? > > > > Greetings > > > > Torsten > > > > - > > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: TPM on IBM thinkcenter S51 2005-06-03 15:02 ` Kylene Jo Hall 2005-06-03 16:23 ` Kylene Jo Hall 2005-06-03 16:24 ` Kylene Jo Hall @ 2005-06-06 8:53 ` Torsten Landschoff 2 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Torsten Landschoff @ 2005-06-06 8:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Kylene Jo Hall; +Cc: trusted linux, linux-kernel Hi Kylene, On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 10:02 -0500, Kylene Jo Hall wrote: > I maintain the driver and am interested in figuring out what this > problem is. Can you please tell me what the device major/minor are I think this is a misunderstanding. My TPM is working just fine but the guy I was replying to seems to have some problems. The old tpm driver (version 2.0) distributed seperately at http://www.research.ibm.com/gsal/tcpa/TPM-2.0.tar.gz did not work for me though. I did not find an obvious problem in it but noticed there is the tpmdd project on SourceForge and got the driver from there. That driver is working just fine for me. > version in the default 2.6.12-rc5. There are many changes are in the - > mm2 patch so I will pull down the default tree and make sure the version > there is working. Still trying to get a grip on git to track the latest kernel and test the TPM driver in there. Anyway, the driver I have is working fine. :) (I am working with an IBM ThinkPad R51 if you care about it). Greetings Torsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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