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From: Anton Altaparmakov <aia21@cam.ac.uk>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: Mikulas Patocka <mikulas@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz>,
	glommer@br.ibm.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, ext2-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	hirofumi@mail.parknet.co.jp,
	linux-ntfs-dev@lists.sourceforge.net, aia21@cantab.net,
	hch@infradead.org, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Use of getblk differs between locations
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:01:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1129017679.12336.7.camel@imp.csi.cam.ac.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20051010180705.0b0e3920.akpm@osdl.org>

On Mon, 2005-10-10 at 18:07 -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> Mikulas Patocka <mikulas@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> wrote:
> >
> >  On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > 
> >  > Anton Altaparmakov <aia21@cam.ac.uk> wrote:
> >  >>
> >  >> > Maybe the best solution is neither one nor another. Testing and failing
> >  >> > gracefully seems better.
> >  >> >
> >  >> > What do you think?
> >  >>
> >  >>  I certainly agree with you there.  I neither want a deadlock nor
> >  >>  corruption.  (-:
> >  >
> >  > Yup.  In the present implementation __getblk_slow() "cannot fail".  It's
> >  > conceivable that at some future stage we'll change __getblk_slow() so that
> >  > it returns NULL on an out-of-memory condition.
> > 
> >  The question is if it is desired --- it will make bread return NULL on 
> >  out-of-memory condition, callers will treat it like an IO error, skipping 
> >  access to the affected block, causing damage on perfectly healthy 
> >  filesystem.
> 
> Yes, that is a bit dumb.  A filesystem might indeed want to take different
> action for ENOMEM versus EIO.
> 
> >  I liked what linux-2.0 did in this case --- if the kernel was out of 
> >  memory, getblk just took another buffer, wrote it if it was dirty and used 
> >  it. Except for writeable loopback device (where writing one buffer 
> >  generates more dirty buffers), it couldn't deadlock.
> 
> Wouldn't it be better if bread() were to return ERR_PTR(-EIO) or
> ERR_PTR(-ENOMEM)?    Big change.

It would indeed.  Much better.  And whilst at it, it would be even
better if we had a lot more error codes like "ERR_PTR(-EDEVUNPLUGGED)"
for example...  But that would be an even better change.  Anyone feeling
like touching every block driver in the kernel?  (-;

Best regards,

        Anton
-- 
Anton Altaparmakov <aia21 at cam.ac.uk> (replace at with @)
Unix Support, Computing Service, University of Cambridge, CB2 3QH, UK
Linux NTFS maintainer / IRC: #ntfs on irc.freenode.net
WWW: http://linux-ntfs.sf.net/ & http://www-stu.christs.cam.ac.uk/~aia21/


  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-10-11  8:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-10-10 20:45 Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2005-10-10 21:20 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-10-10 21:46   ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2005-10-10 21:58     ` Mikulas Patocka
2005-10-10 22:25       ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-10-10 22:49         ` Mikulas Patocka
2005-10-10 23:12           ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2005-10-10 23:16             ` Mikulas Patocka
2005-10-10 23:33               ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2005-10-10 23:34                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2005-10-10 23:49                   ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2005-10-11  7:52           ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-10-12 19:51             ` Jeff Mahoney
2005-10-12 19:59               ` Mikulas Patocka
2005-10-12 20:07                 ` Jeff Mahoney
2005-10-12 20:12                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2005-10-12 20:14                     ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-10-12 20:31                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2005-10-12 21:19                         ` Jeff Mahoney
2005-10-12 21:35                         ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-10-13  0:09                     ` Jamie Lokier
2005-10-13  0:21                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2005-10-13  0:27                         ` Jamie Lokier
2005-10-13 11:17                     ` Pavel Machek
2005-10-14 16:52                       ` Jamie Lokier
2005-10-14 18:26                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2005-10-13  0:05                   ` Jamie Lokier
2005-10-12 20:08               ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-10-10 22:36       ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2005-10-10 22:28         ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-10-10 23:36           ` Andrew Morton
2005-10-11  0:07             ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2005-10-11  0:05               ` Al Viro
2005-10-11  0:40                 ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2005-10-11 12:35                   ` Jan Hudec
2005-10-11  0:09             ` Mikulas Patocka
2005-10-11  1:07               ` Andrew Morton
2005-10-11  1:20                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2005-10-11  5:02                   ` Andrew Morton
2005-10-11  8:07                   ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-10-11  8:01                 ` Anton Altaparmakov [this message]
2005-10-13  0:58                   ` Mike Christie

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