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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: Mikulas Patocka <mikulas@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz>
Cc: aia21@cam.ac.uk, glommer@br.ibm.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	ext2-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, hirofumi@mail.parknet.co.jp,
	linux-ntfs-dev@lists.sourceforge.net, aia21@cantab.net,
	hch@infradead.org, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Use of getblk differs between locations
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:02:42 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20051010220242.794b2f2b.akpm@osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0510110310100.16036@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz>

Mikulas Patocka <mikulas@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> wrote:
>
> >>  I liked what linux-2.0 did in this case --- if the kernel was out of
> >>  memory, getblk just took another buffer, wrote it if it was dirty and used
> >>  it. Except for writeable loopback device (where writing one buffer
> >>  generates more dirty buffers), it couldn't deadlock.
> >
> > Wouldn't it be better if bread() were to return ERR_PTR(-EIO) or
> > ERR_PTR(-ENOMEM)?    Big change.
> 
> No. Out of memory condition can happen even under normal circumstances 
> under lightly loaded system. Think of a situation when dirty file-mapped 
> pages fill up the whole memory, now a burst of packets from network comes 
> that fills up kernel atomic reserve, you have zero pages free --- and what 
> now? --- returning ENOMEM and dropping dirty pages without writing them is 
> wrong, deadlocking (filesystem waits until memory manager frees some pages 
> and memory manager waits until filesystem writes the dirty pages) is wrong 
> too.

Well.  The filesystem could just redirty the page and skip the writepage().
That's still deadlockable but I bet the kernel would recover in the vast
majority of cases.

Still, this is all very theoretical - there are no plans to make getblk
bail out on oom - AFAIK nobody has been able to demonstrate a testcase...

  reply	other threads:[~2005-10-11  5:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-10-10 20:45 Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2005-10-10 21:20 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-10-10 21:46   ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2005-10-10 21:58     ` Mikulas Patocka
2005-10-10 22:25       ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-10-10 22:49         ` Mikulas Patocka
2005-10-10 23:12           ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2005-10-10 23:16             ` Mikulas Patocka
2005-10-10 23:33               ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2005-10-10 23:34                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2005-10-10 23:49                   ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2005-10-11  7:52           ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-10-12 19:51             ` Jeff Mahoney
2005-10-12 19:59               ` Mikulas Patocka
2005-10-12 20:07                 ` Jeff Mahoney
2005-10-12 20:12                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2005-10-12 20:14                     ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-10-12 20:31                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2005-10-12 21:19                         ` Jeff Mahoney
2005-10-12 21:35                         ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-10-13  0:09                     ` Jamie Lokier
2005-10-13  0:21                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2005-10-13  0:27                         ` Jamie Lokier
2005-10-13 11:17                     ` Pavel Machek
2005-10-14 16:52                       ` Jamie Lokier
2005-10-14 18:26                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2005-10-13  0:05                   ` Jamie Lokier
2005-10-12 20:08               ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-10-10 22:36       ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2005-10-10 22:28         ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-10-10 23:36           ` Andrew Morton
2005-10-11  0:07             ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2005-10-11  0:05               ` Al Viro
2005-10-11  0:40                 ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2005-10-11 12:35                   ` Jan Hudec
2005-10-11  0:09             ` Mikulas Patocka
2005-10-11  1:07               ` Andrew Morton
2005-10-11  1:20                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2005-10-11  5:02                   ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2005-10-11  8:07                   ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-10-11  8:01                 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-10-13  0:58                   ` Mike Christie

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