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From: Bernd Petrovitsch <bernd@firmix.at>
To: Horst von Brand <vonbrand@inf.utfsm.cl>
Cc: marty fouts <mf.danger@gmail.com>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	Matti Aarnio <matti.aarnio@zmailer.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: VGER does gradual SPF activation (FAQ matter)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:31:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1150187478.28123.7.camel@tara.firmix.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200606130305.k5D35YhA004268@laptop11.inf.utfsm.cl>

On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 23:05 -0400, Horst von Brand wrote:
> Bernd Petrovitsch <bernd@firmix.at> wrote:
[...]
> > Use secure authenticated mail submission on a known good MTA of said
> > domain (and even the smallest ISP should be able to set that up).
> 
> So what? What should me make me trust some domain that I've never before

Well, so everyone can send email through an MTA (the email accounts
"home MTA") covered in the SPF records.

> heard of is correctly set up? No, "package it up so the dumbest admin on

What makes you believe that the domains you heard of are setup
correctly?
Of course for some/several/many of them you know (because you or
trustfully people administrate them or the domain setup look like sane
to the rest of the world), but for other (including "well known")
domains and in the long run?

If the point was: "We want tolerate ill-adminned domains."
That depends on the error hypotheses and which ill behaviour one wants
to tolerate ......

> Earth can set it up" helps not an iota, they sure will.

I'm not designing (or propagating) anything for dumb admins (they will
screw up anything anyways and an admin knows per definition what s/he is
doing) but it is enough for sane (but also overloaded - so it should not
be too much of a hassle) admins.

	Bernd
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  reply	other threads:[~2006-06-13  8:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-06-10 22:27 Matti Aarnio
2006-06-10 23:06 ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-11  0:16   ` Rik van Riel
2006-06-11  0:44     ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-11 13:02     ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-11 13:55       ` Rik van Riel
2006-06-11 14:03         ` Avi Kivity
2006-06-12  8:47           ` Matthias Andree
2006-06-12 10:17             ` Neil Brown
2006-06-12 10:35               ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-12 11:07               ` Matthias Andree
2006-06-11  2:24   ` marty fouts
2006-06-11  2:41     ` jdow
2006-06-11  2:58       ` David Schwartz
2006-06-11  5:17         ` jdow
2006-06-12  8:18           ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-06-12  8:23             ` jdow
2006-06-12  8:31               ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-06-12  9:47               ` Neil Brown
2006-06-12 10:30                 ` Alan Cox
2006-06-12 10:33                   ` Neil Brown
2006-06-12 17:37               ` Gerhard Mack
2006-06-12 18:14                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-06-12 18:46                   ` jdow
2006-06-12 19:16                     ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-06-12 21:51                   ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-06-13 21:12                 ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-12  9:53             ` Alan Cox
2006-06-12 10:01               ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-06-12 11:14                 ` Matthias Andree
2006-06-12 10:58               ` Neil Brown
2006-06-12 11:22                 ` Matthias Andree
2006-06-12 11:42             ` Kyle Moffett
2006-06-13 23:32               ` Scott Lockwood
2006-06-13 23:42                 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-06-14  0:02               ` Neil Brown
2006-06-14 10:20                 ` Matthias Andree
2006-06-16  3:53                   ` Kyle Moffett
2006-06-12  8:27     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-06-12 20:25       ` Horst von Brand
2006-06-12 21:10         ` Nick Warne
2006-06-12 22:06           ` Jesper Juhl
2006-06-12 22:12             ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-06-12 23:03             ` jdow
2006-06-13  3:00               ` Horst von Brand
2006-06-13  5:54                 ` jdow
2006-06-13  8:36                   ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-06-13  9:58                   ` Marc Perkel
2006-06-13 13:28                   ` Horst von Brand
2006-06-13 14:34                     ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-13  9:05                 ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-13 10:45                   ` Matthias Andree
2006-06-13 12:24                     ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-13 12:49                       ` Matthias Andree
2006-06-13 13:10                         ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-13 15:19                         ` Marc Perkel
2006-06-13 15:57                           ` Auke Kok
2006-06-13 19:54                             ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-13 20:31                               ` Lennart Sorensen
2006-06-13 20:48                                 ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-15 17:05               ` Keith Owens
2006-06-15 23:14                 ` Wakko Warner
2006-06-13  0:11             ` Phil Oester
2006-06-13  0:26               ` David Miller
2006-06-13  4:18                 ` Willy Tarreau
2006-06-13 15:17               ` Joel Jaeggli
2006-06-12 21:43         ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-06-13  3:05           ` Horst von Brand
2006-06-13  8:31             ` Bernd Petrovitsch [this message]
2006-06-13 10:50               ` Matthias Andree
2006-06-13 13:15                 ` Justin Piszcz
2006-06-11  5:09   ` Neil Brown
2006-06-11  5:26     ` jdow
2006-06-11  6:12       ` Willy Tarreau
2006-06-11 16:02 ` Folkert van Heusden
2006-06-11 17:54   ` Lee Revell
2006-06-11 18:54     ` David Miller
2006-06-12  9:09       ` Matthias Andree
2006-06-12 11:32       ` Nikita Danilov
2006-06-12 14:52       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-12 20:00         ` David Miller
2006-06-12 22:29           ` Jesper Juhl
2006-06-12 22:48             ` David Miller
2006-06-12 22:57               ` Jesper Juhl
2006-06-13  3:54         ` VGER does gradual SPF activation (FAQ matter) - Alternative Marc Perkel
2006-06-13  4:51           ` David Miller
2006-06-13 13:41         ` VGER does gradual SPF activation (FAQ matter) Athanasius
2006-06-11 17:31 ` Marc Perkel
2006-06-11 18:50 ` Florian Weimer
     [not found] ` <20060611072223.GA16150@flint.arm.linux.org.uk>
2006-06-12  8:32   ` Matti Aarnio
2006-06-12  8:40     ` Russell King
2006-06-12  9:57       ` Neil Brown
2006-06-12 15:55         ` Russell King
2006-06-12 20:06       ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2006-06-12 11:22     ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-12 15:41     ` Simon Oosthoek
2006-06-12 22:55       ` Matthias Andree
2006-06-13 17:41       ` Matti Aarnio
2006-06-12  9:05 ` Matthias Andree
2006-06-12 17:28   ` Matthew Frost
2006-06-13  0:12   ` David Woodhouse

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