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From: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
To: Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	arjan <arjan@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: mutex ownership (was: Re: [PATCH 19/24] Unionfs: Helper macros/inlines)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:10:36 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1169827836.26770.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200701091009.30063.oliver@neukum.org>

On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 10:09 +0100, Oliver Neukum wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 9. Januar 2007 10:02 schrieb Peter Zijlstra:

> > Its a fundamental property of a mutex, not a shortcoming. A mutex has an
> > owner, the one that takes and releases the resource. This allows things
> > such as Priority Inheritance to boost owners.
> > 
> > 'fixing' this takes away much of what a mutex is.
> > 
> > That said, it seems some folks really want this to happen, weird as it
> > may be. I'm not sure if all these cases are because of wrong designs. A
> > possible extension to the mutex interface might be something like this:
> > 
> >   mutex_pass_owner(struct task_struct *task);
> > 
> > which would be an atomic unlock/lock pair where the current task
> > releases the resource and the indicated task gains it. However it must
> > be understood that from the POV of 'current' this should be treated as
> > an unlock action.
> 
> This won't help if I want to release from an interrupt handler or tasklet.

Then that shouldn't use a mutex. A mutex is for "mutual exclusion", and
not "shared exclusion".  Peter is right that the fundamental property of
a mutex, is that it is for a single thread.  And it should never be
released by a separate thread than the one that grabbed it.

A semaphore can be used as a mutex, but not the other way around.

I wouldn't even recommend doing the mutex_pass_owner().  To do so, the
process calling this must be the owner, and the parameter must be a
thread waiting on the mutex. If it is not, then that could introduce
some really nasty races and bugs.

The mutex_unlock_dont_warn_if_a_different_task_did_it() is also a bad
idea.

-- Steve


  reply	other threads:[~2007-01-26 16:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-01-08  4:12 [PATCH 00/24] Unionfs, try #4 Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:12 ` [PATCH 01/24] Unionfs: Documentation Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 19:18   ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08 19:43     ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08 20:24       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-08 21:32         ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08 21:19       ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08 21:30         ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08 22:02           ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08 22:21             ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08 23:34             ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-08 23:37             ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09  0:03             ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-09  9:53               ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-09 10:43                 ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09 10:47                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-09 10:48                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-09 17:28                 ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-09 18:03                   ` Raz Ben-Jehuda(caro)
2007-01-09 18:24                     ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-08 23:25         ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09  9:49           ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-09 10:36             ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-08 20:51     ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-08 21:53       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-08 23:00       ` Michael Halcrow
2007-01-08 23:45         ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09  0:19       ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2007-01-09  0:33         ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09  1:26           ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-09  1:50             ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-09 12:26       ` Jan Kara
2007-01-09 16:39         ` Trond Myklebust
2007-01-09 17:04           ` Jan Kara
2007-01-09 17:07             ` Trond Myklebust
2007-01-09 17:34         ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-10 16:12           ` Jan Kara
2007-01-10 20:15             ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-10 20:24               ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-10 21:27               ` Jan Kara
2007-01-10 23:20             ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-10 23:29               ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-11  8:54                 ` Jan Kara
2007-01-08 23:15     ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09 12:15       ` Jan Kara
2007-01-09 16:30         ` Trond Myklebust
2007-01-09 16:41           ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-09 17:03             ` Trond Myklebust
2007-01-09 17:11               ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-09 17:16               ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-09 17:16             ` Jan Kara
2007-01-09 22:02             ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-11 14:29           ` unionfs unusable on multiuser systems (was Re: [PATCH 01/24] Unionfs: Documentation) Pavel Machek
2007-01-12 14:17             ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08  4:12 ` [PATCH 02/24] lookup_one_len_nd - lookup_one_len with nameidata argument Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:12 ` [PATCH 03/24] Unionfs: Branch management functionality Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:12 ` [PATCH 04/24] Unionfs: Common file operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:28   ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08  4:12 ` [PATCH 05/24] Unionfs: Copyup Functionality Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:29   ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08 22:00     ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08  4:12 ` [PATCH 06/24] Unionfs: Dentry operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:29   ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08  4:12 ` [PATCH 07/24] Unionfs: File operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 08/24] Unionfs: Directory file operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 09/24] Unionfs: Directory manipulation helper functions Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 10/24] Unionfs: Inode operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 11/24] Unionfs: Lookup helper functions Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 12/24] Unionfs: Main module functions Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 13/24] Unionfs: Readdir state Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 14/24] Unionfs: Rename Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 15/24] Unionfs: Privileged operations workqueue Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:27   ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 16/24] Unionfs: Handling of stale inodes Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 17/24] Unionfs: Miscellaneous helper functions Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 18/24] Unionfs: Superblock operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:29   ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 19/24] Unionfs: Helper macros/inlines Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:28   ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-09  9:02     ` mutex ownership (was: Re: [PATCH 19/24] Unionfs: Helper macros/inlines) Peter Zijlstra
2007-01-09  9:09       ` Oliver Neukum
2007-01-26 16:10         ` Steven Rostedt [this message]
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 20/24] Unionfs: Internal include file Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 21/24] Unionfs: Include file Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 22/24] Unionfs: Unlink Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 23/24] Unionfs: Kconfig and Makefile Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 24/24] Unionfs: Extended Attributes support Josef 'Jeff' Sipek

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