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From: "Raz Ben-Jehuda(caro)" <raziebe@gmail.com>
To: "Erez Zadok" <ezk@cs.sunysb.edu>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/24] Unionfs: Documentation
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 20:03:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5d96567b0701091003i6a98f8fep60d1a0b9c6c586d1@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200701091728.l09HSxQI009160@agora.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>

On 1/9/07, Erez Zadok <ezk@cs.sunysb.edu> wrote:
> In message <20070109095345.GB12406@infradead.org>, Christoph Hellwig writes:
> > On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 07:03:35PM -0500, Erez Zadok wrote:
> > > However, I must caution that a file system like ecryptfs is very different
> > > from Unionfs, the latter being a fan-out file system---and both have very
> > > different goals.  The common code between the two file systems, at this
> > > stage, is not much (and we've already extracted some of it into the "stackfs
> > > layer").
> >
> > I think that's an very important point.  We have a chance to get that
> > non-fanout filesystems right quite easily - something I wished that would
> > have been done before the ecryptfs merge - while getting fan-out stackable
> > filesystems is a really hard task.  In addition to that I know exactly
> > one fan-out stackable filesystem that is posisbly useful, which is unionfs.
>
> Christoph, on our Unionfs mailing list, we've been asked numerous times for
> additional functionality.  People asked for load balancing based on CPU
> time, rtt, latency, space available, etc.  People asked for replication
> functionality.  People asked for failover.  And more.  Some users have
> become so motivated, that they developed and maintain their own Unionfs
> patches to support rudimentary load-balancing and replication.
>
> Our answer had always been the same: those features are nice, but have no
> place in Unionfs.  That's why we've created RAIF, exactly to give all those

Erez hello
my name is raz.
Just for my better understanding , raifs stands for raided file system ?
what sort of raids do they have ?
thank you
raz




> who wanted "just one more thing added to Unionfs" another f/s to play with.
> Who knows, maybe one day, some of those features may wind up in a Unionfs-NG
> or as composable VFS plugins.  But for now, we've given the community RAIF
> so they can play with it, experiment, enhance, whatever.  RAIF is newer
> than Unionfs and for now we're just accumulating experience with it.
>
> In other words, I think there are other fan-out file systems of use other
> than Unionfs.  If and when Unionfs made it into mainline, I'll guarantee you
> that you'll have users asking for other fan-out functionality.  That is why I
> think it is prudent to wait and gather more experience with stackable file
> systems in Linux, before embarking on a more generic functionality layer,
> which would support non-fanout as well as fanout extensions.
>
> > Because of that I'm much more inclined to add VFS asistance for this
> > particular problem (unioning) instead of adding complex infrastructure
> > to solve a general problem that people don't benefit from.
>
> I'd love to see VFS assistance for Unioning in particular and for stacking
> in general.  But again, I prefer to gather some practical experience first,
> and then try to generalize any new VFS-level helper functionality.
>
> Sincerely,
> Erez.
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-- 
Raz

  reply	other threads:[~2007-01-09 18:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-01-08  4:12 [PATCH 00/24] Unionfs, try #4 Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:12 ` [PATCH 01/24] Unionfs: Documentation Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 19:18   ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08 19:43     ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08 20:24       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-08 21:32         ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08 21:19       ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08 21:30         ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08 22:02           ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08 22:21             ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08 23:34             ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-08 23:37             ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09  0:03             ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-09  9:53               ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-09 10:43                 ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09 10:47                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-09 10:48                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-09 17:28                 ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-09 18:03                   ` Raz Ben-Jehuda(caro) [this message]
2007-01-09 18:24                     ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-08 23:25         ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09  9:49           ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-09 10:36             ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-08 20:51     ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-08 21:53       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-08 23:00       ` Michael Halcrow
2007-01-08 23:45         ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09  0:19       ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2007-01-09  0:33         ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09  1:26           ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-09  1:50             ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-09 12:26       ` Jan Kara
2007-01-09 16:39         ` Trond Myklebust
2007-01-09 17:04           ` Jan Kara
2007-01-09 17:07             ` Trond Myklebust
2007-01-09 17:34         ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-10 16:12           ` Jan Kara
2007-01-10 20:15             ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-10 20:24               ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-10 21:27               ` Jan Kara
2007-01-10 23:20             ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-10 23:29               ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-11  8:54                 ` Jan Kara
2007-01-08 23:15     ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09 12:15       ` Jan Kara
2007-01-09 16:30         ` Trond Myklebust
2007-01-09 16:41           ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-09 17:03             ` Trond Myklebust
2007-01-09 17:11               ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-09 17:16               ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-09 17:16             ` Jan Kara
2007-01-09 22:02             ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-11 14:29           ` unionfs unusable on multiuser systems (was Re: [PATCH 01/24] Unionfs: Documentation) Pavel Machek
2007-01-12 14:17             ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08  4:12 ` [PATCH 02/24] lookup_one_len_nd - lookup_one_len with nameidata argument Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:12 ` [PATCH 03/24] Unionfs: Branch management functionality Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:12 ` [PATCH 04/24] Unionfs: Common file operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:28   ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08  4:12 ` [PATCH 05/24] Unionfs: Copyup Functionality Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:29   ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08 22:00     ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08  4:12 ` [PATCH 06/24] Unionfs: Dentry operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:29   ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08  4:12 ` [PATCH 07/24] Unionfs: File operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 08/24] Unionfs: Directory file operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 09/24] Unionfs: Directory manipulation helper functions Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 10/24] Unionfs: Inode operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 11/24] Unionfs: Lookup helper functions Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 12/24] Unionfs: Main module functions Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 13/24] Unionfs: Readdir state Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 14/24] Unionfs: Rename Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 15/24] Unionfs: Privileged operations workqueue Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:27   ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 16/24] Unionfs: Handling of stale inodes Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 17/24] Unionfs: Miscellaneous helper functions Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 18/24] Unionfs: Superblock operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:29   ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 19/24] Unionfs: Helper macros/inlines Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:28   ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-09  9:02     ` mutex ownership (was: Re: [PATCH 19/24] Unionfs: Helper macros/inlines) Peter Zijlstra
2007-01-09  9:09       ` Oliver Neukum
2007-01-26 16:10         ` Steven Rostedt
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 20/24] Unionfs: Internal include file Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 21/24] Unionfs: Include file Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 22/24] Unionfs: Unlink Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 23/24] Unionfs: Kconfig and Makefile Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 24/24] Unionfs: Extended Attributes support Josef 'Jeff' Sipek

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