From: "Raz Ben-Jehuda(caro)" <raziebe@gmail.com>
To: "Erez Zadok" <ezk@cs.sunysb.edu>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/24] Unionfs: Documentation
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 20:03:15 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5d96567b0701091003i6a98f8fep60d1a0b9c6c586d1@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200701091728.l09HSxQI009160@agora.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>
On 1/9/07, Erez Zadok <ezk@cs.sunysb.edu> wrote:
> In message <20070109095345.GB12406@infradead.org>, Christoph Hellwig writes:
> > On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 07:03:35PM -0500, Erez Zadok wrote:
> > > However, I must caution that a file system like ecryptfs is very different
> > > from Unionfs, the latter being a fan-out file system---and both have very
> > > different goals. The common code between the two file systems, at this
> > > stage, is not much (and we've already extracted some of it into the "stackfs
> > > layer").
> >
> > I think that's an very important point. We have a chance to get that
> > non-fanout filesystems right quite easily - something I wished that would
> > have been done before the ecryptfs merge - while getting fan-out stackable
> > filesystems is a really hard task. In addition to that I know exactly
> > one fan-out stackable filesystem that is posisbly useful, which is unionfs.
>
> Christoph, on our Unionfs mailing list, we've been asked numerous times for
> additional functionality. People asked for load balancing based on CPU
> time, rtt, latency, space available, etc. People asked for replication
> functionality. People asked for failover. And more. Some users have
> become so motivated, that they developed and maintain their own Unionfs
> patches to support rudimentary load-balancing and replication.
>
> Our answer had always been the same: those features are nice, but have no
> place in Unionfs. That's why we've created RAIF, exactly to give all those
Erez hello
my name is raz.
Just for my better understanding , raifs stands for raided file system ?
what sort of raids do they have ?
thank you
raz
> who wanted "just one more thing added to Unionfs" another f/s to play with.
> Who knows, maybe one day, some of those features may wind up in a Unionfs-NG
> or as composable VFS plugins. But for now, we've given the community RAIF
> so they can play with it, experiment, enhance, whatever. RAIF is newer
> than Unionfs and for now we're just accumulating experience with it.
>
> In other words, I think there are other fan-out file systems of use other
> than Unionfs. If and when Unionfs made it into mainline, I'll guarantee you
> that you'll have users asking for other fan-out functionality. That is why I
> think it is prudent to wait and gather more experience with stackable file
> systems in Linux, before embarking on a more generic functionality layer,
> which would support non-fanout as well as fanout extensions.
>
> > Because of that I'm much more inclined to add VFS asistance for this
> > particular problem (unioning) instead of adding complex infrastructure
> > to solve a general problem that people don't benefit from.
>
> I'd love to see VFS assistance for Unioning in particular and for stacking
> in general. But again, I prefer to gather some practical experience first,
> and then try to generalize any new VFS-level helper functionality.
>
> Sincerely,
> Erez.
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Raz
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-01-09 18:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-01-08 4:12 [PATCH 00/24] Unionfs, try #4 Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 4:12 ` [PATCH 01/24] Unionfs: Documentation Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 19:18 ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08 19:43 ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08 20:24 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-08 21:32 ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08 21:19 ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08 21:30 ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08 22:02 ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08 22:21 ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08 23:34 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-08 23:37 ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09 0:03 ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-09 9:53 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-09 10:43 ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09 10:47 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-09 10:48 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-09 17:28 ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-09 18:03 ` Raz Ben-Jehuda(caro) [this message]
2007-01-09 18:24 ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-08 23:25 ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09 9:49 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-09 10:36 ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-08 20:51 ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-08 21:53 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-08 23:00 ` Michael Halcrow
2007-01-08 23:45 ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09 0:19 ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2007-01-09 0:33 ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09 1:26 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-09 1:50 ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-09 12:26 ` Jan Kara
2007-01-09 16:39 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-01-09 17:04 ` Jan Kara
2007-01-09 17:07 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-01-09 17:34 ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-10 16:12 ` Jan Kara
2007-01-10 20:15 ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-10 20:24 ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-10 21:27 ` Jan Kara
2007-01-10 23:20 ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-10 23:29 ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-11 8:54 ` Jan Kara
2007-01-08 23:15 ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09 12:15 ` Jan Kara
2007-01-09 16:30 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-01-09 16:41 ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-09 17:03 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-01-09 17:11 ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-09 17:16 ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-09 17:16 ` Jan Kara
2007-01-09 22:02 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-11 14:29 ` unionfs unusable on multiuser systems (was Re: [PATCH 01/24] Unionfs: Documentation) Pavel Machek
2007-01-12 14:17 ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08 4:12 ` [PATCH 02/24] lookup_one_len_nd - lookup_one_len with nameidata argument Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 4:12 ` [PATCH 03/24] Unionfs: Branch management functionality Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 4:12 ` [PATCH 04/24] Unionfs: Common file operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:28 ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08 4:12 ` [PATCH 05/24] Unionfs: Copyup Functionality Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:29 ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08 22:00 ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08 4:12 ` [PATCH 06/24] Unionfs: Dentry operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:29 ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08 4:12 ` [PATCH 07/24] Unionfs: File operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 4:13 ` [PATCH 08/24] Unionfs: Directory file operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 4:13 ` [PATCH 09/24] Unionfs: Directory manipulation helper functions Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 4:13 ` [PATCH 10/24] Unionfs: Inode operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 4:13 ` [PATCH 11/24] Unionfs: Lookup helper functions Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 4:13 ` [PATCH 12/24] Unionfs: Main module functions Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 4:13 ` [PATCH 13/24] Unionfs: Readdir state Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 4:13 ` [PATCH 14/24] Unionfs: Rename Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 4:13 ` [PATCH 15/24] Unionfs: Privileged operations workqueue Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:27 ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08 4:13 ` [PATCH 16/24] Unionfs: Handling of stale inodes Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 4:13 ` [PATCH 17/24] Unionfs: Miscellaneous helper functions Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 4:13 ` [PATCH 18/24] Unionfs: Superblock operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:29 ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08 4:13 ` [PATCH 19/24] Unionfs: Helper macros/inlines Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:28 ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-09 9:02 ` mutex ownership (was: Re: [PATCH 19/24] Unionfs: Helper macros/inlines) Peter Zijlstra
2007-01-09 9:09 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-01-26 16:10 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-01-08 4:13 ` [PATCH 20/24] Unionfs: Internal include file Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 4:13 ` [PATCH 21/24] Unionfs: Include file Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 4:13 ` [PATCH 22/24] Unionfs: Unlink Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 4:13 ` [PATCH 23/24] Unionfs: Kconfig and Makefile Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 4:13 ` [PATCH 24/24] Unionfs: Extended Attributes support Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
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